From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC0E28D06 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2024 04:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD314333B; Thu, 4 Jul 2024 12:59:46 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1720061986; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=DcJ/Ndeh98mlUxB1Hsf2f0N8yzmcS9va+e4I29vzmG0=; b=vnrRz//OSO2HeZ9jkhgapxFgcLmfbLBnxM4CkPse42Vg2XDBu1m/C/+TMwefg8MMbeeOUv LLCyahV1idbbeujj7X7wR4nk+fGGFXELRdrBQS2gzMbpLSKfG+xvqrWHqorBa30SkfSMu/ PnLgZ3qAAVtLyyIxAZuDCc/VrXKkrYk= Received: from mail-4027.protonmail.ch (mail-4027.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.27]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B6FF43333 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2024 12:59:42 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1720061979; x=1720321179; bh=DcJ/Ndeh98mlUxB1Hsf2f0N8yzmcS9va+e4I29vzmG0=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=pxCqZeogECQpM7J8HXrsGJSu8AngGKLkHZsNyS0PgTqfJ9yy/EmKIodvAg8VM3UCf kyYqc2y7wd4JBsqq6FrdmepdVrNYozUGP5IMrLG6cJ1yobDc+1Rh7xti3qNrmVxHid apTpYknLXW+cOAXmptN1I9mw5js70SpvPjzh6r04bTCcXssX4EQEB3rWSgtozELMqo jliB8WBiRjAlpWNzGXqd7blO3UhhGxsiLkeR3Sz5F99brK0DoAE9rdecjM9llZqcd3 a5BCcpnU+7TrC2jNctq5abHwA/EhCfwttCQb9wORG+wa32cQABPXQ8LgcO8MSHuvzH +04HzuyDn7J7Q== Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2024 02:59:33 +0000 To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Message-ID: <-xc_VtRQ7D8ll__tVJJEF4MXsGZF-vvAKLrh2Oq0lPKemGXIS1XAQLNs0vumI1_OZ_0UO0LjdImMHuijnPJe_R-3neo-2ZwT4l_L3hLOTLU=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20240704015323.7EEE88EBE798@ary.qy> References: <93529CA0-7097-443C-999B-384BE6BD5683@canb.auug.org.au> <20240704015323.7EEE88EBE798@ary.qy> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: d4fdadbfccf3a296463f5357ff69d0e28edc66da MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: 2XVOOTQ5325SWTMLFPJIZGZEXQCQKX2W X-Message-ID-Hash: 2XVOOTQ5325SWTMLFPJIZGZEXQCQKX2W X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Anyone ever heard of teaching a case study of Initial Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via TUHS Reply-To: segaloco On Wednesday, July 3rd, 2024 at 6:53 PM, John Levine wrot= e: > According to sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au: >=20 > > Developers of Initial Unix arguably were 10x-100x more productive than = IBM OS/360, a =E2=80=98best practice=E2=80=99 development at the time, > > so what CSRC did differently is worth close examination. >=20 >=20 > Ken Thompson was an astonishingly productive programmer. I don't think > you can build a business plan that starts with "hire someone like > Ken." >=20 > One weekend just for fun he pounded out most of an APL interpreter, > which I then took and spent a month part time adding a few features > like saving and loading workspaces, and adjusting it to use the APL > character set on our funky bitmap terminals at Yale. He did more in > the weekend than I did in the month, and I am not a terrible > programmer. To add to the praise, Ken, yourself, and others weren't exactly working on = modern 115200 baud terminal emulators and IDEs with all the fancy modern ta= b completion and automatic linting either. History has given me an appreci= ation that these sorts of conveniences work at all. If I'm ever having a r= eally bad day with my tools, I just think about Ken, Dennis, et. al. hammer= ing away at 33 ASRs making legends happen and suddenly I don't feel so bad. - Matt G.