[TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750

[TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750

[Norman Wilson]

Look again.  The colophon in my copy of The UNIX Programming Environment
(first paperback printing of the first edition) says
	This book was typeset in Times Roman and Courier by the
	authors, using a Mergenthaler Linotron 202 typesetter driven
	by a VAX-11/750 running the 8th Edition of the UNIX operating
	system.

I don't have a copy of the latter-day (now contains ISO) C book, but
if I recall correctly when it was written, it was probably typed in
on a VAX 8550 running the 9th edition system.  Probably it was the
latter-day 9th, which had crept along quite a bit beyond the hasty
9/e manual.  After I made some radical changes to the way device
drivers plugged into the kernel, I changed it to print `9Vr2' when
it booted, partly to distinguish the old system from the newer one
and partly to annoy enough people to reach critical energy to produce
a 10/e manual.  The tactic took a while but was ultimately successful.

For those who don't know the historic chain, the systems loosely
called V8, V9, and V10 were never real releases in any sense; they
were just names hung on the continuously-evolving system we ran in
the 1980s in the Computing Science Research Center at Bell Labs.
Brian and Dennis and Rob (and, for six years, I) used that system
for everyday work as well as as a sandbox for systems work; hence
the credit in the books.  There were tapes called V8 and V9 issued
to a few specific places under special on-off letter agreement, but
they correspond only approximately to the like-numbered manuals.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
(which feels a lot like New Jersey this evening)

[TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750

[Gregg C Levine]

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Hello again from Gregg C Levine
Don't go getting your panties in a twist, Norman, (to quote an old
friend.), I did look before completing the posting. And yes it did say
that. I have here a personal edition of the C book, (I bought it,
because I wanted to have the thing here when I did work in the
language, and needed to double check a reference.). 

I have out a copy of the book that John is kvetching about from my
local library. I checked that one, and it strangely enough agrees with
what you're saying, and with John too. I find it, ah, logical, that
the guys would use a Mergenthaler Linotron 202 typesetter for their
print runs. Actually the word is imagesetter. But that term will do. 
As I recall you worked there for a while, and do know what you're
talking about, so I'm not going to indulge myself in a flame war.
Besides I've actually done enough typesetting so as to be able to
argue the point with the bit brains at Adobe, so I'll even agree with
you now.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org
[mailto:tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org] On
> Behalf Of Norman Wilson
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:03 PM
> To: tuhs at tuhs.org
> Subject: [TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750
> 
> Look again.  The colophon in my copy of The UNIX Programming
Environment
> (first paperback printing of the first edition) says
> 	This book was typeset in Times Roman and Courier by the
> 	authors, using a Mergenthaler Linotron 202 typesetter driven
> 	by a VAX-11/750 running the 8th Edition of the UNIX operating
> 	system.
> 
> I don't have a copy of the latter-day (now contains ISO) C book, but
> if I recall correctly when it was written, it was probably typed in
> on a VAX 8550 running the 9th edition system.  Probably it was the
> latter-day 9th, which had crept along quite a bit beyond the hasty
> 9/e manual.  After I made some radical changes to the way device
> drivers plugged into the kernel, I changed it to print `9Vr2' when
> it booted, partly to distinguish the old system from the newer one
> and partly to annoy enough people to reach critical energy to
produce
> a 10/e manual.  The tactic took a while but was ultimately
successful.
> 
> For those who don't know the historic chain, the systems loosely
> called V8, V9, and V10 were never real releases in any sense; they
> were just names hung on the continuously-evolving system we ran in
> the 1980s in the Computing Science Research Center at Bell Labs.
> Brian and Dennis and Rob (and, for six years, I) used that system
> for everyday work as well as as a sandbox for systems work; hence
> the credit in the books.  There were tapes called V8 and V9 issued
> to a few specific places under special on-off letter agreement, but
> they correspond only approximately to the like-numbered manuals.
> 
> Norman Wilson
> Toronto ON
> (which feels a lot like New Jersey this evening)
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[TUHS] Re: V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750

[Aaron J. Grier]

On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 08:03:18PM -0400, Norman Wilson wrote:

> I don't have a copy of the latter-day (now contains ISO) C book, but
> if I recall correctly when it was written, it was probably typed in on
> a VAX 8550 running the 9th edition system.

<digs out old copy>

	"[...] using a Graphic Systems phototypesetter driven by
	a PDP-11/70 running under the UNIX operating system."

-- 
  Aaron J. Grier | "Not your ordinary poofy goof." | agrier at poofygoof.com
  "Isn't an OS that openly and proudly admits to come directly from Holy
   UNIX better than a cheap UNIX copycat that needs to be sued in court
   to determine what the hell it really is?"  --  Michael Sokolov

[TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750

[Norman Wilson]

Fear not, Gregg; no twists intended or assumed.  It could well be
that there was an earlier print run of The UNIX Programming Environment
that got it wrong and claimed to be done with V7 on an 11/750.  But
I've never seen it (which is why I specified the exact edition and
printing I was quoting); and if it said that it was an error or a fib.

So far as I know nobody ever did a port of straight V7 to a VAX.
TUPE was written just before I arrived at the Labs; it's possible
that the 11/70 was still around during the writing, though it was
gone before I came.  I don't know whether the name V8 was coined
before the 11/70 was retired.  Maybe Dennis remembers more.

The original edition of The C Programming Language was certainly
done on an 11/70; it may have been published before the VAX hardware
existed in the field, and certainly before that part of Bell Labs
had one.  My beat-up paperback copy (copyright 1978, third printing)
credits Graphic Systems for the typesetter, the 11/70 for the system
hardware, but just says UNIX--no version stated--for the OS.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

[TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750

[John Willis]

Just noticed in the publication data for "The UNIX Programming Environment"
that
it was created on a VAX 11/750 running V7 UNIX. How is this possible? I have
an 11/750 and V7 is my favorite UNIX... if I could do this, it would be
awesome.

Anyone have any insights?

[TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750

[Gregg C Levine]

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Hello again from Gregg C Levine
I have a copy here of it, and I'll check it, and also a copy of the C
book. John, yes it was, and the one for C, is the 9th one of UNIX, on
the 8550. Is it possible, gang, that the releases for the VAX, track a
different sequence of events, then for the PDP-11? But more
importantly, both books were done using the UNIX tools and using
output devices that are actually typesetters, rather then printers. I
know. I've met both. However, considering that the author of the first
is one of the authors for the definitive C book, would they have had
access to unreleased versions? 

Dennis you worked on that historic text with Brian Kernighan, and the
book we are talking about, Brian worked with someone else, can you
check on my assertions, and report back?

John, you have a 11/750? Where do you keep it? 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org
[mailto:tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org] On
> Behalf Of John Willis
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:55 PM
> To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
> Subject: [TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750
> 
> Just noticed in the publication data for "The UNIX Programming
Environment"
> that
> it was created on a VAX 11/750 running V7 UNIX. How is this
possible? I have
> an 11/750 and V7 is my favorite UNIX... if I could do this, it would
be
> awesome.
> 
> Anyone have any insights?
> 
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[TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750

[John Willis]

I have an entire room of my house dedicated to computers including a VAX
11/750, a MicroVAX 3100, a VAXstation 3100, a VAXstation 2000, a MicroVAX
II, and a huge HP 9000/800 I40... Needless to say, it gets hot.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:15 PM
To: 'John Willis'; tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: RE: [TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750

Hello again from Gregg C Levine
I have a copy here of it, and I'll check it, and also a copy of the C
book. John, yes it was, and the one for C, is the 9th one of UNIX, on
the 8550. Is it possible, gang, that the releases for the VAX, track a
different sequence of events, then for the PDP-11? But more
importantly, both books were done using the UNIX tools and using
output devices that are actually typesetters, rather then printers. I
know. I've met both. However, considering that the author of the first
is one of the authors for the definitive C book, would they have had
access to unreleased versions?

Dennis you worked on that historic text with Brian Kernighan, and the
book we are talking about, Brian worked with someone else, can you
check on my assertions, and report back?

John, you have a 11/750? Where do you keep it?
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon at worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
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"Use the Force, Luke."  Obi-Wan Kenobi
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org
[mailto:tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org] On
> Behalf Of John Willis
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:55 PM
> To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
> Subject: [TUHS] V7 UNIX on VAX 11/750
>
> Just noticed in the publication data for "The UNIX Programming
Environment"
> that
> it was created on a VAX 11/750 running V7 UNIX. How is this
possible? I have
> an 11/750 and V7 is my favorite UNIX... if I could do this, it would
be
> awesome.
>
> Anyone have any insights?
>
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