From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: SHOPPA@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:32:33 -0400 Subject: [pups] AT&T Unix Operating System for Writers Workbench Software? Message-ID: <000710123233.202002e2@trailing-edge.com> In a big batch of 9-tracks and RL01 packs rescued this morning, I have two tapes, one labeled AT&T ** 66938 ** UNIX OPERATING SYSTEM FOR WRITERS WORKBENCH SOFTWARE TPname: LOAD PGM FOR PDP 11/70 the other labeled AT&T ** 66611 ** UNIX OPERATING SYSTEM WRITERS WORKBENCH SOFTWARE TPname: LOAD PGM FOR VAX 11/780 11/750 Both have copyright dates of 1984. You can see scans of the original labels (high-res scans, they're big files!) at http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/wwtapes/ I won't be able to make binary copies of these until this evening, but does anyone know where these tapes fit into the scheme of AT&T stuff? i.e. are these custom-built SYS III and SYS V systems? Is the PDP-11/70 tape perhaps eligible for inclusion in the PUPS archive under the SCO license? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa at trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA65501 for pups-liszt; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:58:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA65497 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:58:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id IAA55176 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:58:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA65457 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:55:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from cjd at sunmexico.sun.com) Received: from sunmex.sunmexico.Sun.COM ([129.153.198.1]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05770 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ses1 (ses1 [129.153.198.107]) by sunmex.sunmexico.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with SMTP id RAA16145 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:55:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200007102255.RAA16145 at sunmex.sunmexico.Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:54:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Cuenta para lectura de e-mail Reply-To: Cuenta para lectura de e-mail Subject: Re: [pups] AT&T Unix Operating System for Writers Workbench Software? To: PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: PCA20B34lXH9C2cS6nYCoQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 CDE Version 1.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I believe WWB was an offshoot or derivative of PWB, the Programmer's Workbench, which was a special version of V6. I think WWB was where "pic" first showed up. PWB was, I think V6 with a few extra utilities added. WWB may be the same. - Chris Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA65907 for pups-liszt; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA65903 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id JAA55561 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (timaxp.trailing-edge.com [63.73.218.130]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA65895 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from SHOPPA at timaxp.trailing-edge.com) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:51:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:51:19 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa To: PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU Message-Id: <000710195119.202002e2 at trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: [pups] AT&T Unix Operating System for Writers Workbench Software? Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >I believe WWB was an offshoot or derivative of PWB, the Programmer's Workbench, >which was a special version of V6. I think WWB was where "pic" first showed >up. PWB was, I think V6 with a few extra utilities added. WWB may be the same. I don't think what I've found here is that major. It starts with a Makefile: # NOTICE-NOT TO BE DISCLOSED OUTSIDE BELL SYS EXCEPT UNDER WRITTEN AGRMT # Makefile: Writer's Workbench system version 2.0.1.10, 5/26/83 # makefile for the WRITER'S WORKBENCH SYSTEM # This package includes over 30 programs that suggest improvements # to written documents, including improved versions of the # Style and Diction programs as well as many more writing aids. and the README says: This file gives instructions for building and installing the Writer's Workbench system source code. This information is also contained in the document "UNIX(TM) Writer's Workbench Software Installation and Administration Guide." These particular tapes have been stored in absolutely horrible conditions (pretty much kept in an outdoors storage shed during both winter and summer for the past decade) and I'm going to have to bake and/or lubricate them before I make a not-half-assed attempt at recovering them. The PDP11/70 tape is particularly bad (it actually broke when I was just loading it into the drive!) and it may be a goner. I don't see any obvious mentions of 'pic' in what I read so far. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa at trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA66034 for pups-liszt; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:19:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA66030 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:19:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id KAA55777 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:18:48 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from sydnt4.cogita.local ([203.14.179.201]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA66021 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:18:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grant.maizels at cogita.com.au) Message-ID: <6334A5F54DFE5F4FA3032AF1BE95A0F30F7583 at sydnt4.cogita.local> From: Grant Maizels To: "'Tim Shoppa'" , PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU Subject: RE: [pups] AT&T Unix Operating System for Writers Workbench Softw are? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:21:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Tim, Writers Work Bench was an extension to the basic troff/nroff tools developed earlier, but took new directions. It included a whole lot of new programs like diction (a grammar checker??) which were more to do with the content than the formatting. I think that pic was developed separately by bwk for a research version. I have never used WWB but I have some documentation on it somewhere at home. I believe that it was sold with source as an add on for various Unicies. Grant Maizels grant at maizels.nu -----Original Message----- From: Tim Shoppa [mailto:SHOPPA@trailing-edge.com] Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2000 9:51 To: PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU Subject: Re: [pups] AT&T Unix Operating System for Writers Workbench Software? >I believe WWB was an offshoot or derivative of PWB, the Programmer's Workbench, >which was a special version of V6. I think WWB was where "pic" first showed >up. PWB was, I think V6 with a few extra utilities added. WWB may be the same. I don't think what I've found here is that major. It starts with a Makefile: # NOTICE-NOT TO BE DISCLOSED OUTSIDE BELL SYS EXCEPT UNDER WRITTEN AGRMT # Makefile: Writer's Workbench system version 2.0.1.10, 5/26/83 # makefile for the WRITER'S WORKBENCH SYSTEM # This package includes over 30 programs that suggest improvements # to written documents, including improved versions of the # Style and Diction programs as well as many more writing aids. and the README says: This file gives instructions for building and installing the Writer's Workbench system source code. This information is also contained in the document "UNIX(TM) Writer's Workbench Software Installation and Administration Guide." These particular tapes have been stored in absolutely horrible conditions (pretty much kept in an outdoors storage shed during both winter and summer for the past decade) and I'm going to have to bake and/or lubricate them before I make a not-half-assed attempt at recovering them. The PDP11/70 tape is particularly bad (it actually broke when I was just loading it into the drive!) and it may be a goner. I don't see any obvious mentions of 'pic' in what I read so far. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa at trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA66635 for pups-liszt; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:25:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA66631 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:25:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id MAA62138 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:24:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) Received: from host.kw.igs.net (host.kw.igs.net [216.58.99.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA66582 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:14:16 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from schoedel at kw.igs.net) Received: from [216.58.99.49] (ttyA11.kw.igs.net [216.58.99.49]) by host.kw.igs.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA14173 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:13:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from schoedel at kw.igs.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6334A5F54DFE5F4FA3032AF1BE95A0F30F7583 at sydnt4.cogita.local> References: <6334A5F54DFE5F4FA3032AF1BE95A0F30F7583 at sydnt4.cogita.local> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:12:45 -0400 To: PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU From: Kevin Schoedel Subject: [pups] RE: AT&T Unix Operating System for Writers Workbench Softw are? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On 2000/07/11 at 10:21am +1000, Grant Maizels wrote: >Writers Work Bench was an extension to the basic troff/nroff tools developed >earlier, but took new directions. It included a whole lot of new programs >like diction (a grammar checker??) which were more to do with the content >than the formatting. I think that pic was developed separately by bwk for a >research version. I have never used WWB but I have some documentation on it >somewhere at home. I believe that it was sold with source as an add on for >various Unicies. I have a little documentation here, mostly three papers from BSTJ vol. 62 no. 6, July/August 1983. It did contain -- as the makefile says -- 'diction' (basically a search for 'bad' phrases), 'style' (which generated readabilty and other statistics for text), 'punct' (a basic punctuation checker), and a handful of other similar programs. Importantly for the PUPS archive, I'm pretty certain that AT&T retained ownership of WWB when it sold UNIX, so it wouldn't be covered by the SCO license. I have no idea who owns it now. 'pic', along with troff and such, was in *Documenter's* Workbench. -- Kevin Schoedel schoedel at kw.igs.net