From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
From: hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net (Gregg C Levine)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:41:54 -0400
Subject: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com
In-Reply-To: <20040413072032.GV29128@wantadilla.lemis.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c42143$f05f0120$6401a8c0@who5>

Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
Funny you should be bringing that into the subject, Greg! Every time I
booted an image from the repository here, at TUHS, or directly from
the home SIMH site, I didn't bother to check those features. I just
managed to login, and do what prompted me to do that. The next time I
do so, which should be this week, I'll certainly look for it.

And I thought this would be a short thread.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:grog at lemis.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:21 AM
> To: Michael Davidson; Gregg C Levine; Norman Wilson
> Cc: 'Kenneth Stailey'; tuhs at tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on
Salon.com
> 
> On Monday, 12 April 2004 at 15:29:36 -0700, Michael Davidson wrote:
> >> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> >> An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books.
I
> >> haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy
in the
> >> article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but,
here
> >> goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of
the
> >> book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the
other
> >> fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX.
> >
> > I'm not sure what discrepancy you are referring to - the article
looked
> > quite accurate to me.
> >
> > Which particular "other fellow" are you thinking of?
> 
> On Monday, 12 April 2004 at 19:40:31 -0400, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on
the
> > C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie,
are
> > mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in
the
> > creation of UNIX,
> 
> Not that I'm a great believer in religion, but this comes close to
> sacrilege.  I would have thought that people on this forum (you,
> Gregg, certainly included) would have known that ken and dmr (to use
> their login names) are so much the basis of UNIX that up to and
> including the Sixth Edition the directory tree was divided into two
> directories named after them:
> 
>    === root at wantadilla (/dev/ttyp1) /home/grog 24 -> cd
/src/UNIX/Sixth-Edition/
>    === root at wantadilla (/dev/ttyp1) /src/UNIX/Sixth-Edition 25 -> ls
-l usr/sys/
>    total 1
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   3016 Jul 18  1975 buf.h
>    dr-xr-xr-x  2 grog  wheel    512 Jul 19  1975 conf
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    916 May 14  1975 conf.h
>    dr-xr-xr-x  2 grog  wheel    512 Jul 18  1975 dmr
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    407 May 14  1975 file.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    949 May 14  1975 filsys.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    533 May 14  1975 ino.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   1693 Jul 18  1975 inode.h
>    dr-xr-xr-x  2 grog  wheel    512 Jul 18  1975 ken
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel  58990 Jul 18  1975 lib1
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel  45578 Jul 18  1975 lib2
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   2147 May 14  1975 param.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   1481 Jul 18  1975 proc.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    274 May 14  1975 reg.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    900 Jul 18  1975 run
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    533 Jul 18  1975 seg.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   1749 May 14  1975 systm.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel    380 May 14  1975 text.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   2320 May 14  1975 tty.h
>    -r--r--r--  1 grog  wheel   2842 Jul 18  1975 user.h
>    === root at wantadilla (/dev/ttyp1) /src/UNIX/Sixth-Edition 26 ->
> 
> "The other fellow" indeed!  As dmr says, he wrote more code than he
> and Kernighan put together (though in this source tree their input
is
> remarkably balanced).
> 
> On Monday, 12 April 2004 at 20:01:26 -0400, Norman Wilson wrote:
> >   Hello from Gregg C Levine
> >   Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book
on the
> >   C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie,
are
> >   mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in
the
> >   creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book
mentioned in
> >   titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment.
> >
> > Ken's name is on a number of interesting papers from the early
days of
> > UNIX, including the original one in CACM, but so far as I can
remember
> > he was never the official author or co-author of a UNIX book.  You
may
> > be thinking of `The UNIX Programming Environment,' by Kernighan
and Pike.
> >
> > I suppose those who don't know both Ken Thompson and Rob Pike
might
> > confuse them, especially since (I think) they both reside in the
Bay
> > Area now.
> 
> I've never seen ken without a beard, though there's a photo of him
> without one taken a very long time ago.  I've never seen Rob Pike
with
> a beard.
> 
> > They are certainly different people; I have seen them in the same
> > room many times.
> 
> Ah, the marvels of time-sharing!
> 
> Greg
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