> Paul can correct me, but I don't think DEC even developed a Pascal for TOPS originally - IIRC the one I used came from the universities. I think the first Pascal sold was targeted for the VAX. We made heavy use of PASCAL on the TOPS10 system at JHU, but I don't know what the origin of it was. I'd be surprised if it wasn't DEC. That shop wasn't overly innovative. >> but its character handling was awful. ​> Yep - but as others have pointed out, with something like RATFOR it could be made usable and that's what a lot of people I know did when they had too. As I said, the FPS folks wrote a parallelizing, Fortran for the FPS-164 in Ratfor A compiler, to me, is the definition if a character based application if I can name one. Ratfor got you decent control structures but it didn't get around the fortran data model suckage. ᐧ ᐧ ᐧ