I didn't say that GNU wasn't a necessary part, it's just I think RMS feels he lost control of things when LINUX displaced his plans for the kernel. Obviously, much of the user mode is entirely beholden to the GNU project starting with GCC and the run tlime libraries. The only major system that really isn't is the display system which is X. -----Original Message----- From: TUHS [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On Behalf Of Michael Kjörling Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 12:20 PM To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] Un-released/internal/special UNIX versions/ports during the years? On 26 Feb 2017 12:15 -0500, from ron at ronnatalie.com (Ron Natalie): > Of course, he got run over by LINUX along the way. ...and even today, while the GNU userland sees reasonable use (just about every Linux distribution targetting the desktop or server niches use it, except for the few minimalistic ones that rely primarily on Busybox, so it's pretty hard to run Linux and not GNU), GNU Hurd lives a life of obscurity and few even know what it is, let alone knows anyone who uses it for anything even half-way serious. -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • michael at kjorling.se “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup)