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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q15-20020a170902f78f00b0018b025d9a40sm252986pln.256.2023.03.13.13.57.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) From: Bakul Shah In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 13:56:59 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <01057785-CAA0-4F24-8A3E-7822AB8D6425@iitbombay.org> References: <20230310113708.AD55518C080@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> To: Paul Winalski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) Message-ID-Hash: H7UEW55QJXXH7THB7NZKVHJ7BR7AMVJE X-Message-ID-Hash: H7UEW55QJXXH7THB7NZKVHJ7BR7AMVJE X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Alejandro Colomar , TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: [TUHS]: C dialects (was: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: In hindsight Algol68 may have been the last committee designed language that was good. It got a lot of flack back then but its imperfections seem tiny in comparison to most of the languages designed since then. > On Mar 13, 2023, at 1:48 PM, Paul Winalski wrote: > > I'd rather see programming language standards committees restrict > their activity to regularizing existing practice. Let vendors and > others innovate by adding non-standard extensions. Then take those > that are really useful and adopt them as part of the standard. But > the committee itself should not be doing design. We all know what > they say about "design by committee", and it's all too true. > > Programming language standards committees also tend to suffer from > what I call the "dog and fire hydrant" problem. The committee members > are like a pack of dogs, with the standard being the fire hydrant. > Each dog doesn't consider the fire hydrant "theirs" until they've > pissed on it. Programming languages get treated the same way by > standards committee members.