From: Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com>
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Alternative Implementation Proposal for Unix/370 (BTL, 1979)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 16:01:19 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0173C556-D51E-44E4-A56B-8B738497AB83@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAOGWQg4JM3HXrBNdh1uSeiy+ua8jX=uW7EDXEFnxRbp90t7qg@mail.gmail.com>
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> On May 5, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Tom Lyon via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
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> I was (re?)introduced to Chuck Haley recently and discovered he had a copy of a Bell Labs memo from himself, London, Maranzaro, and Ritchie. They suggest that the path pursued to get UNIX running in/under TSS/370 was the hard way to go.
>
> Enjoy: http://charles.the-haleys.org/papers/Alternate_Implementation_Proposal_for_Unix370.pdf <http://charles.the-haleys.org/papers/Alternate_Implementation_Proposal_for_Unix370.pdf>
Oh my.
I mean, I know that OS (and descendants--for those of you without this particular trauma, we mostly mean MVS (now z/OS), but of course there's OS/MFT, OS/MVT, and then OS/MVS) was always trying to kill VM, and we went through similar crap with Linux/390 (and zLinux), which contains code to let it run directly on the iron, even though even production shops are not going to *do* that (OpenSolaris-for-z required VM underneath it; hell, it required a couple new DIAGs we requested).
That actually makes it easy to run zLinux on Hercules, so I'm not complaining, but...it's not how any shop running it as anything other than a curiosity would do it. I mean, OK, I guess you could have a teeny little LPAR but let's face it the LPAR is basically VM.
But TSS was always *also* an also-ran (that is, not OS). It's really weird (to me, anyway) to see it was hostile to VM too.
Adam
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Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-05-05 21:32 Tom Lyon via TUHS
2022-05-05 23:01 ` Adam Thornton [this message]
2022-05-06 22:54 ` Kevin Bowling
2022-05-06 7:35 ` arnold
2022-05-06 8:08 ` Ron Natalie
2022-05-06 14:21 ` Tom Lyon via TUHS
2022-05-06 15:51 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via TUHS
2022-05-06 15:33 Noel Chiappa
2022-05-07 19:03 ` arnold
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