From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29454 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2022 02:19:56 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Jan 2022 02:19:56 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 242D29D030; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:19:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8432C9CFCA; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:19:40 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=pobox.com header.i=@pobox.com header.b="sQlSXR73"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3A0609CFCA; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:19:39 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 528 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:19:38 AEST Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (pb-smtp2.pobox.com [64.147.108.71]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0F4A9C78F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 12:19:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF6C10F0F2; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:10:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h= content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject :date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; s=sasl; bh=LODHJC CAwkRRlyP/ybbJOKDa35mu8cQbPzvTMvspcYY=; b=sQlSXR73j9ZcjS0xYCEmWM Ny/wSCEqd6SMU9gOK874lPtNc1nhUe8pViRYqltlGsH3RcJiPdxuulf6M9uwDH6d f2YDXqK6dwoQecLQPFQwe+jsZlwe4dHqX3JsNTFPO5hJQ2cl+3OLEz285nxwd/iL h9g2/u7OFKJH5iKp2oQMA= Received: from pb-smtp2.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E0C10F0F1; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:10:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [203.132.93.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6DE6910F0F0; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:10:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from davida@pobox.com) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6125066A-BA00-4342-9732-ED4D2D2F0888 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 13:10:44 +1100 Message-Id: <02982C6D-0DF6-4C45-985F-9B3060DF1125@pobox.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: Blake McBride X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19C56) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: DBD72CB8-734C-11EC-9F0A-CB998F0A682E-29049682!pb-smtp2.pobox.com Subject: Re: [TUHS] TeX and groff (was: roff(7)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail-6125066A-BA00-4342-9732-ED4D2D2F0888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <=E2=80=A6> >> > 2. Drop DVI? Are you kidding me? Although PDF may be popular now, >> > that may not be the case 20 years from now. A device-independent >> > format is what is needed, and that's what DVI is. TeX is guaranteed >> > to produce the exact same output 100 years from now. >>=20 >> And .PDF isn't? >=20 > No. It isn't. It is an Adobe product. Check out ISO 32000-2:2020. I think it=E2=80=99s ok in 2022 to say that PDF has escaped Adobe and is an o= pen standard, suitable for long-life documents, etc.=20 d= --Apple-Mail-6125066A-BA00-4342-9732-ED4D2D2F0888 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 > 2.  Drop DVI?  Are you kidding me?  Although PDF m= ay be popular now,
 > that may not be the case 20 years from now.  A device-indepe= ndent
 > format is what is needed, and that's what DVI is.  TeX is gu= aranteed
 > to produce the exact same output 100 years from now.

And .PDF isn't?

No.  It isn't. = ; It is an Adobe product.

Check out ISO 32000-2:2020.

I think it=E2=80=99s ok in 2= 022 to say that PDF has escaped Adobe and is an open standard, suitable for l= ong-life documents, etc. 



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