[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Rudi Blom]

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>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 16:56:45 -0700
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>Subject: [TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources
>To: "Tautological Eunuch Horticultural Scythians" <tuhs@tuhs.org
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>On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, at 14:03, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
>> I'm still worried about my legal butt :-(
>
>Speaking of, there’s also the OSF/1.0 source from the same uploader:
>    https://archive.org/details/SapphireDensetsu_gmail_OSF1
>--
>~j

Being somewhat of a collector I also have a Osf1-2.0-Src Tar.zip :-)

take care,
uncle rubl
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[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS]

On 16 Mar 2023, at 04:28, Rudi Blom <rudi.j.blom@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Speaking of, there’s also the OSF/1.0 source from the same uploader:
> >    https://archive.org/details/SapphireDensetsu_gmail_OSF1
> >--
> >~j
> 
> Being somewhat of a collector I also have a Osf1-2.0-Src Tar.zip :-)

Out of curiosity: are the sources for “mx", the binary translator from Ultrix to OSF/1 binaries, included? I have fond memories of mx’ing ghostscript from Ultrix to OSF/1 to get it to run under OSF/1 T1.0 - not only did it work but it was the only way to get ghostscript running (for TeX to PS, of course) for quite some time.

Arrigo

[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Rudi Blom]

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appended osf1-1.lst, osf1-2.lst

They contain output of the 'dir' command on my notebook.


On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:15, Arrigo Triulzi <arrigo@alchemistowl.org>
wrote:

> On 16 Mar 2023, at 04:28, Rudi Blom <rudi.j.blom@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Speaking of, there’s also the OSF/1.0 source from the same uploader:
> > >    https://archive.org/details/SapphireDensetsu_gmail_OSF1
> > >--
> > >~j
> >
> > Being somewhat of a collector I also have a Osf1-2.0-Src Tar.zip :-)
>
> Out of curiosity: are the sources for “mx", the binary translator from
> Ultrix to OSF/1 binaries, included? I have fond memories of mx’ing
> ghostscript from Ultrix to OSF/1 to get it to run under OSF/1 T1.0 - not
> only did it work but it was the only way to get ghostscript running (for
> TeX to PS, of course) for quite some time.
>
> Arrigo
>
>

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 Volume in drive C is Windows 
 Volume Serial Number is 3EB0-16B7

 Directory of C:\brudi\SW_ARCHIVE\AlphaServer\osf1src

11/21/2003  02:48 AM    <DIR>          .
03/16/2023  01:27 PM    <DIR>          ..
11/21/2003  12:52 AM            83,016 OSCBDEV200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM         1,079,225 OSCBETC200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM         5,275,753 OSCBISL200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM        37,079,052 OSCBKERNEL200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM            21,927 OSCBMISC200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM           543,361 OSCBPOSIX200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM            23,256 OSCBROOT200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM         4,519,720 OSCBSBIN200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM         6,359,754 OSCBSECCMD200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM           257,836 OSCBSETUP200
11/21/2003  12:52 AM           117,787 OSCBTCB200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM        33,242,490 OSCBTOOLS200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM            15,824 OSCBUSR200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM            22,931 OSCBUSR32BIT200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM        18,108,780 OSCBUSRBIN200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM        25,779,348 OSCBUSRCCS200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           431,714 OSCBUSRDOC200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           288,031 OSCBUSREX200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           597,741 OSCBUSRFLD200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM         3,206,606 OSCBUSRINCL200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           670,369 OSCBUSRLBIN200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM         4,818,178 OSCBUSRLIB200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           290,230 OSCBUSRLOC200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM         8,063,420 OSCBUSRMDEC200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           143,772 OSCBUSRS5200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM        14,380,889 OSCBUSRSBIN200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           576,762 OSCBUSRSHLB200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM         4,376,864 OSCBUSRSHR200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM            23,783 OSCBUSRSKEL200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM            23,295 OSCBUSRSYS200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           154,620 OSCBUSRULTX200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM            83,986 OSCBUTIL200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM            23,741 OSCBVAR200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM         4,529,997 OSCDMANOP200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM         7,110,659 OSCDMANOS200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           158,109 OSCDMANRT200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM         4,867,460 OSCDMANWOP200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM         1,221,460 OSCDMANWOS200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           215,502 OSCXCHECK200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM        20,593,882 OSCXCLIENTS200
11/21/2003  12:53 AM           373,675 OSCXCONFIG200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM        11,493,850 OSCXDEMOS200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM         9,628,541 OSCXDOC200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM         5,879,894 OSCXEXTENS200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM         5,637,109 OSCXFIXTRAK200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM        44,514,592 OSCXFONTS200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM            14,873 OSCXHARDCOPY200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM           359,038 OSCXINCLUDE200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM         8,410,767 OSCXLIB200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM         2,001,571 OSCXMAN200
11/21/2003  12:54 AM           451,852 OSCXMISC200
11/21/2003  12:55 AM        57,235,668 OSCXMOTIF200
11/21/2003  12:55 AM            72,672 OSCXRGB200
11/21/2003  12:55 AM        11,842,118 OSCXSERVER200
11/21/2003  12:55 AM           750,860 OSCXTOOLS200
11/21/2003  12:55 AM           588,365 OSCXUTIL200
11/21/2003  12:55 AM         1,326,178 OSCXWCL200
              57 File(s)    369,962,753 bytes
               2 Dir(s)  215,486,201,856 bytes free

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 Volume in drive C is Windows 
 Volume Serial Number is 3EB0-16B7

 Directory of C:\brudi\SW_ARCHIVE\AlphaServer\OSF1-SRC-V2.0

04/01/2011  05:37 AM    <DIR>          .
03/16/2023  01:27 PM    <DIR>          ..
11/06/2004  11:07 PM             1,233 extract.sh
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            30,720 OSCBDEV200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           389,120 OSCBETC200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         1,710,080 OSCBISL200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM        13,291,520 OSCBKERNEL200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            10,240 OSCBMISC200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           184,320 OSCBPOSIX200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            10,240 OSCBROOT200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         1,382,400 OSCBSBIN200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         2,283,520 OSCBSECCMD200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            71,680 OSCBSETUP200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            30,720 OSCBTCB200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM        16,875,520 OSCBTOOLS200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            10,240 OSCBUSR200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            10,240 OSCBUSR32BIT200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         6,727,680 OSCBUSRBIN200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM        10,076,160 OSCBUSRCCS200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           163,840 OSCBUSRDOC200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           112,640 OSCBUSREX200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           215,040 OSCBUSRFLD200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         1,013,760 OSCBUSRINCL200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           296,960 OSCBUSRLBIN200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         1,689,600 OSCBUSRLIB200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           102,400 OSCBUSRLOC200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         3,614,720 OSCBUSRMDEC200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            51,200 OSCBUSRS5200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         5,222,400 OSCBUSRSBIN200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           286,720 OSCBUSRSHLB200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         1,300,480 OSCBUSRSHR200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            10,240 OSCBUSRSKEL200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            10,240 OSCBUSRSYS200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            61,440 OSCBUSRULTX200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            30,720 OSCBUTIL200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            10,240 OSCBVAR200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         1,239,040 OSCDMANOP200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         2,508,800 OSCDMANOS200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            51,200 OSCDMANRT200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         1,228,800 OSCDMANWOP200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           460,800 OSCDMANWOS200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM            40,960 OSCXCHECK200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         7,864,320 OSCXCLIENTS200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM           122,880 OSCXCONFIG200
11/06/2004  11:07 PM         2,785,280 OSCXDEMOS200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM         3,266,560 OSCXDOC200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM         1,761,280 OSCXEXTENS200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM         2,191,360 OSCXFIXTRAK200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM        11,479,040 OSCXFONTS200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM            10,240 OSCXHARDCOPY200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM            92,160 OSCXINCLUDE200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM         2,744,320 OSCXLIB200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM           542,720 OSCXMAN200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM           174,080 OSCXMISC200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM        19,486,720 OSCXMOTIF200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM            30,720 OSCXRGB200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM         3,921,920 OSCXSERVER200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM           337,920 OSCXTOOLS200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM           245,760 OSCXUTIL200
11/06/2004  11:08 PM           450,560 OSCXWCL200
              58 File(s)    130,325,713 bytes
               2 Dir(s)  215,486,132,224 bytes free

[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS]

> On 16 Mar 2023, at 07:29, Rudi Blom <rudi.j.blom@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> appended osf1-1.lst, osf1-2.lst

Ah, those are the original installation packages - I have them, by pure accident, for Tru64 Unix 4.0D but I am definitely not uploading those anywhere… 

No idea where ‘mx’ would be in them but it must be there as it was shipped without any special additional PAKs needed.

Arrigo

[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Rudi Blom]

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on osf1-1.0 I see a OSCBISL200 which seems to include mx and mxr. I don't
know anything about it but found this chapter online with at the very end:

"For more information on the mx translator and the mxr run-time
environment, see the DECmigrate for DEC OSF/1 V1.2: Translating Executables
 manual."
http://www2.phys.canterbury.ac.nz/dept/docs/manuals/unix/DEC_4.0e_Docs/HTML/APS3EETE/CHVRVWXX.HTM

BTW what format do the OSC... 200 archives have so I can 'unpack' them
easily?


On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 14:35, Arrigo Triulzi <arrigo@alchemistowl.org>
wrote:

> > On 16 Mar 2023, at 07:29, Rudi Blom <rudi.j.blom@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > appended osf1-1.lst, osf1-2.lst
>
> Ah, those are the original installation packages - I have them, by pure
> accident, for Tru64 Unix 4.0D but I am definitely not uploading those
> anywhere…
>
> No idea where ‘mx’ would be in them but it must be there as it was shipped
> without any special additional PAKs needed.
>
> Arrigo
>
>
>

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[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS]

On 16 Mar 2023, at 10:25, Rudi Blom <rudi.j.blom@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW what format do the OSC... 200 archives have so I can 'unpack' them easily?

You install them using setld, as in:

setld -l OSC… 

(you can have multiple sets in one setld command)

To see what is installed:

setld -i

I assume you don’t need a license for it, otherwise you would have a so-called PAK file and you’d load it with:

lmf register < pakfile
lmf load OSF…

the “pakfile” could be (and was, in academia) a huge list of licenses which you’d load in one go.

Arrigo

[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Rudi Blom]

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A misunderstanding, I know all that. It's just that I expected to see a
INSTCTRL file or instctrl directory with such file.That's what I'd consider
normal in DU 4.0 and Tru64 5.0 onwards.

I have that OSF/1 archive on 1.0 and 2.0 a few years already.(found
somewhere) but till now didn't look at it. I've got a DS20E with DU 4.0g.
When I get a change I might install some parts.

Take care,
uncle rubl

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 19:15, Arrigo Triulzi <arrigo@alchemistowl.org>
wrote:

> On 16 Mar 2023, at 10:25, Rudi Blom <rudi.j.blom@gmail.com> wrote:
> > BTW what format do the OSC... 200 archives have so I can 'unpack' them
> easily?
>
> You install them using setld, as in:
>
> setld -l OSC…
>
> (you can have multiple sets in one setld command)
>
> To see what is installed:
>
> setld -i
>
> I assume you don’t need a license for it, otherwise you would have a
> so-called PAK file and you’d load it with:
>
> lmf register < pakfile
> lmf load OSF…
>
> the “pakfile” could be (and was, in academia) a huge list of licenses
> which you’d load in one go.
>
> Arrigo
>
>

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[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS]

On 16 Mar 2023, at 15:35, Rudi Blom <rudi.j.blom@gmail.com> wrote:
> A misunderstanding, I know all that. It's just that I expected to see a INSTCTRL file or instctrl directory with such file.That's what I'd consider normal in DU 4.0 and Tru64 5.0 onwards.

Oh, my apologies. I thought it was a rather more basic question. I can have a look at my 4.0D sources and see how those are packaged.

Arrigo

[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Rudi Blom]

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Just a quick check shows
. my archive osf1src10 contains OSC* as tar files, osf1src20 contains
similar filenames but as gzipped tar files.

For osf1src10 untarring all gives a directory ./usr/opt with subdirectories
OSC200 and OSCX200.
A quick check on osf1src10 gives mxr, libmxr.so and mxr.1 but no source of
those.
For osf1src20 same result.

On osf1src10 the OSC* files have date 2003-11-03, on osf1src20 2004-11-06.
Unzipped, untarred the usr directory has size 370Mb. A quick check shows my
osf1src10 and osf1src20 contain the SAME software. Using "ls -lR" most
source files seem from 1994-03-02, but there are groups from 1993-01-26 as
well (e.g. termcap files).

That's all from me.

On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 22:59, Arrigo Triulzi <arrigo@alchemistowl.org>
wrote:

> On 16 Mar 2023, at 15:35, Rudi Blom <rudi.j.blom@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A misunderstanding, I know all that. It's just that I expected to see a
> INSTCTRL file or instctrl directory with such file.That's what I'd consider
> normal in DU 4.0 and Tru64 5.0 onwards.
>
> Oh, my apologies. I thought it was a rather more basic question. I can
> have a look at my 4.0D sources and see how those are packaged.
>
> Arrigo



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[TUHS] Re: OSF/1.0 Sources

[Joseph Holsten]

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, at 14:03, Warren Toomey via TUHS wrote:
> I'm still worried about my legal butt :-(

Speaking of, there’s also the OSF/1.0 source from the same uploader:
    https://archive.org/details/SapphireDensetsu_gmail_OSF1
--
~j