Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Michael Sokolov]

Kenneth Stailey <kstailey at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Speaking of X on Heritage Unix I have a Sun 3/60M with the 1280x1024 monochrome
> display.  The only display server I have ever gotten to work on it is on NetBSD
> 1.3 running the pre-XFree86 X11R6.
>
> I'm wondering if there are any older UNIXes I could use.

I would more than welcome a volunteer to port 4.3BSD-Quasijarus to m68k.
(Using pcc of course.)  Wanna tackle that one?

MS

Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Tim Bradshaw]

* macbiesz  wrote:
> A couple years ago, Sun released Solaris 8 source for free. The
> whole system is full of SVisms, and AFAIK, the source remains free.

I think it depends what you mean by `free'.  I forget the details but
though I'm sure you could fetch it, look at it, rebuild it & maybe
make changes which you did not redistribute, you almost certainly
could not, say, redistribute it, or take material from it and
redistribute that.  You may also have needed to be a Solaris licensee
as well (not that this costs much or, often, anything).

So it really is one of these `definition of free' things - if you
define `free' as `not costing anything' then yes, it was/is free, but
if you define it in some sense that involves freedom to redistribute
or something like that then it wasn't free.  I doubt
free-software-cult followers would have called it free, put it that
way!

Anyway, this is probably off-topic by now

--tim 

Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Brad Spencer]

[snip]

   Does anyone have suggestions where to get SunOS for a sun2?

[snip]


While you are looking for a copy, you can try NetBSD/sun2.





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Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Kenneth Stailey]

--- Kenneth Stailey <kstailey at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- Wesley Parish <wes.parish at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of its old
> 
> > BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the Linux and
> 
> > Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO, the 
> > Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers.
> > 
> > I was also thinking - there's enough free MC68K emulation stuff out there -
> 
> > for Mac, Amiga, Atari, etc - that writing a Sun3 emulator should be 
> > relatively easy.
> 
> Like very easy:
> 
> http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~fredette/tme/index.html

I was able to the the tme sun2 to work with the serial console on a FreeBSD
4.9-STABLE box.  The GTK GUI had problems that I will look at later.

$ tip sun2
can't open log file /var/log/aculog.
connected
Self Test completed successfully.

Sun Workstation, Model Sun-2/120 or Sun-2/170, Sun-2 keyboard
ROM Rev R, 4MB memory installed
Serial #4393, Ethernet address 8:0:20:DE:AD:BF

Probing Multibus: sd
Using RS232 A input.
Auto-boot in progress...
Boot: sd(0,0,0)vmunix 

Waiting for disk to spin up...

Please start it, if necessary, -OR- press any key to quit.

>?
What?
>r
SS: 00000FFC? 
US: 00400000? 
SF: 00000003? 

Does anyone have suggestions where to get SunOS for a sun2?

> > What do Sun-worshippers ;^) think?
> > 
> > Wesley Parish
> > 
> > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:22, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> > > On 2003.11.08 13:30 Kenneth Stailey wrote:
> > > > Does Sun still keep SunOS 4 under wraps or can it be
> > > > used for non-commerical purposes at no cost?
> > >
> > > You can download SunOS for sun3 legal and for free from
> > > http://www.sun3zoo.de/
> > 
> > -- 
> > Clinesterton Beademung - in all of love.
> > Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?"
> > You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
> > Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
> > I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."
> > _______________________________________________
> > TUHS mailing list
> > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> 
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Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[macbiesz]

A couple years ago, Sun released Solaris 8 source for free. The whole system is full of SVisms, and AFAIK, the source remains free.

Maciek

----- Original Message -----
From: Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:58 am
Subject: Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

> > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:13:16 +1300
> > From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish at paradise.net.nz>
> > Subject: Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote 
> xterm!!)> To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
> >
> > I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees 
> of its old 
> > BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the 
> Linux and 
> > Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from 
> SCO, the 
> > Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of 
> Rumourmongers.
> Don't hold your breath. Even SunOS 4.1.x had large chunks of System 
> V Release 3
> code in it: all the STREAMS stuff and RFS worked in that 
> environment (not that
> anyone ever used it).  Also all of /usr/5bin, /usr/5lib etc.
> 
> Arnold
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> 

Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Kenneth Stailey]

--- Wesley Parish <wes.parish at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of its old 
> BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the Linux and 
> Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO, the 
> Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers.
> 
> I was also thinking - there's enough free MC68K emulation stuff out there - 
> for Mac, Amiga, Atari, etc - that writing a Sun3 emulator should be 
> relatively easy.

Like very easy:

http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~fredette/tme/index.html

> What do Sun-worshippers ;^) think?
> 
> Wesley Parish
> 
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:22, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> > On 2003.11.08 13:30 Kenneth Stailey wrote:
> > > Does Sun still keep SunOS 4 under wraps or can it be
> > > used for non-commerical purposes at no cost?
> >
> > You can download SunOS for sun3 legal and for free from
> > http://www.sun3zoo.de/
> 
> -- 
> Clinesterton Beademung - in all of love.
> Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?"
> You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
> Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
> I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."
> _______________________________________________
> TUHS mailing list
> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org
> http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs


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Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Aharon Robbins]

> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:13:16 +1300
> From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish at paradise.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)
> To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
>
> I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of its old 
> BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the Linux and 
> Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO, the 
> Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers.

Don't hold your breath. Even SunOS 4.1.x had large chunks of System V Release 3
code in it: all the STREAMS stuff and RFS worked in that environment (not that
anyone ever used it).  Also all of /usr/5bin, /usr/5lib etc.

Arnold

Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Derrik Walker v2.0]

On Nov 11, 2003, at 3:13 AM, Wesley Parish wrote:

> I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of  
> its old
> BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the  
> Linux and
> Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO,  
> the
> Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers.
>
> I was also thinking - there's enough free MC68K emulation stuff out  
> there -
> for Mac, Amiga, Atari, etc - that writing a Sun3 emulator should be
> relatively easy.
>
> What do Sun-worshippers ;^) think?
>

A Sun 3 emulator would kick butt!  So would an Sun 4c or 4m emulator  
... and I'm sure modern PowerPC and Intel chips are fast enough to do  
it well.

- Derrik

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Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Tim Bradshaw]

* Wesley Parish wrote:
> I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of its old 
> BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the Linux and 
> Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO, the 
> Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers.

I suspect that releasing source to virtually any substantial, recent
commercial Unix is a hideous political nightmare.  They almost
certainly have code that came from many other companies, under lots of
different license agreements, none of which were designed to allow for
open source distribution, and every one of which has to be looked at
very carefully in case someone pops up and sues.  And all the code
will have been mangled together in all sorts of exciting ways.

I remember that getting BSD 4.x released was a huge saga, and SunOS4
is bound to be much worse politically.

> I was also thinking - there's enough free MC68K emulation stuff out there - 
> for Mac, Amiga, Atari, etc - that writing a Sun3 emulator should be 
> relatively easy.

Surely small Sun3s should be easy to come by?  They were until
recently, anyway.

--tim

Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Wesley Parish]

I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of its old 
BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the Linux and 
Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO, the 
Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers.

I was also thinking - there's enough free MC68K emulation stuff out there - 
for Mac, Amiga, Atari, etc - that writing a Sun3 emulator should be 
relatively easy.

What do Sun-worshippers ;^) think?

Wesley Parish

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:22, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> On 2003.11.08 13:30 Kenneth Stailey wrote:
> > Does Sun still keep SunOS 4 under wraps or can it be
> > used for non-commerical purposes at no cost?
>
> You can download SunOS for sun3 legal and for free from
> http://www.sun3zoo.de/

-- 
Clinesterton Beademung - in all of love.
Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?"
You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Jochen Kunz]

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On 2003.11.08 13:30 Kenneth Stailey wrote:

> Does Sun still keep SunOS 4 under wraps or can it be
> used for non-commerical purposes at no cost?
You can download SunOS for sun3 legal and for free from
http://www.sun3zoo.de/
-- 



tschüß,
           Jochen

Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz

Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

[Kenneth Stailey]

--- Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:00:57PM +0530, Philip, Naveen J (Naveen) wrote:
> > Hi
> > All
> > I am trying to lauch a xterm window on a remote machine and then once the
> > xterm window is launched from the remote machine I am trying to start a gui
> > on the xterm window.
> 
> Naveen, this is a mailing list about Heritage Unix. I don't think
> your question counts as such, unless you're running X11R3 on a Sun2
> or something similar.
> 
> Cheers,
> 	Warren

Speaking of X on Heritage Unix I have a Sun 3/60M with the 1280x1024 monochrome
display.  The only display server I have ever gotten to work on it is on NetBSD
1.3 running the pre-XFree86 X11R6.

I'm wondering if there are any older UNIXes I could use.  Does Sun still keep
SunOS 4 under wraps or can it be used for non-commerical purposes at no cost?



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