* [TUHS] Genealogy of PDP-11 Unix @ 2018-05-21 20:22 Warren Toomey 2018-05-21 20:30 ` Clem cole 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Warren Toomey @ 2018-05-21 20:22 UTC (permalink / raw) I had an e-mail from someone who said: PDP-11 Sys V is apparently derived from Unix CB 3.0, not from the normal route... Or so says the great interweb :) I found a family tree that suggests this. Know anything about this? I hadn't heard of this before, can anybody substantiate or negate this assertion, or shed more light on the genealogy od PDP-11 System V? Thanks, Warren ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Genealogy of PDP-11 Unix 2018-05-21 20:22 [TUHS] Genealogy of PDP-11 Unix Warren Toomey @ 2018-05-21 20:30 ` Clem cole 2018-05-21 22:22 ` Warner Losh 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Clem cole @ 2018-05-21 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 910 bytes --] It contains Features from CB Unix but was not the same thing. In particular shared memory and semaphores were contributed by Dale’s team but it was PWB 3.0 that was rebranded system III and then updated and released by USG aka summit eventually as sys V. System IV was not released outside the bell system I’m not sure if it ever went out inside. Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite. > On May 21, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote: > > I had an e-mail from someone who said: > > PDP-11 Sys V is apparently derived from Unix CB 3.0, not from the > normal route... Or so says the great interweb :) > I found a family tree that suggests this. Know anything about this? > > I hadn't heard of this before, can anybody substantiate or negate this > assertion, or shed more light on the genealogy od PDP-11 System V? > > Thanks, Warren ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Genealogy of PDP-11 Unix 2018-05-21 20:30 ` Clem cole @ 2018-05-21 22:22 ` Warner Losh 2018-05-21 22:48 ` Clem Cole 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Warner Losh @ 2018-05-21 22:22 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1503 bytes --] In case people are wondering, I found this https://www.quora.com/What-is-Unix-and-why-is-it-important which contains a blue-oval chart that shows it being derived from CB Unix 3. But that the sources were also different than the ones for VAXen, etc. At least that's the implication here. Is this chart in error? Warner On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Clem cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote: > It contains Features from CB Unix but was not the same thing. In > particular shared memory and semaphores were contributed by Dale’s team but > it was PWB 3.0 that was rebranded system III and then updated and released > by USG aka summit eventually as sys V. System IV was not released outside > the bell system I’m not sure if it ever went out inside. > > Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not > quite. > > > On May 21, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote: > > > > I had an e-mail from someone who said: > > > > PDP-11 Sys V is apparently derived from Unix CB 3.0, not from the > > normal route... Or so says the great interweb :) > > I found a family tree that suggests this. Know anything about this? > > > > I hadn't heard of this before, can anybody substantiate or negate this > > assertion, or shed more light on the genealogy od PDP-11 System V? > > > > Thanks, Warren > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20180521/c7f43e33/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Genealogy of PDP-11 Unix 2018-05-21 22:22 ` Warner Losh @ 2018-05-21 22:48 ` Clem Cole 2018-05-21 22:53 ` Warner Losh 2018-05-22 1:08 ` Ron Natalie 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Clem Cole @ 2018-05-21 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1773 bytes --] @Warner Losh - the picture with the blue balloons is so wrong.... There are a ton of errors, starting with claiming PWB 1.0 came from Fifth Edition On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote: > In case people are wondering, I found this https://www.quora.com/ > What-is-Unix-and-why-is-it-important which contains a blue-oval chart > that shows it being derived from CB Unix 3. But that the sources were also > different than the ones for VAXen, etc. At least that's the implication > here. Is this chart in error? > > Warner > > > On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Clem cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote: > >> It contains Features from CB Unix but was not the same thing. In >> particular shared memory and semaphores were contributed by Dale’s team but >> it was PWB 3.0 that was rebranded system III and then updated and released >> by USG aka summit eventually as sys V. System IV was not released outside >> the bell system I’m not sure if it ever went out inside. >> >> Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not >> quite. >> >> > On May 21, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote: >> > >> > I had an e-mail from someone who said: >> > >> > PDP-11 Sys V is apparently derived from Unix CB 3.0, not from the >> > normal route... Or so says the great interweb :) >> > I found a family tree that suggests this. Know anything about this? >> > >> > I hadn't heard of this before, can anybody substantiate or negate this >> > assertion, or shed more light on the genealogy od PDP-11 System V? >> > >> > Thanks, Warren >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20180521/c2eca630/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Genealogy of PDP-11 Unix 2018-05-21 22:48 ` Clem Cole @ 2018-05-21 22:53 ` Warner Losh 2018-05-22 1:08 ` Ron Natalie 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Warner Losh @ 2018-05-21 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1964 bytes --] OK. So I should ignore it then... Thanks for the clarification... Warner On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote: > @Warner Losh - the picture with the blue balloons is so wrong.... There > are a ton of errors, starting with claiming PWB 1.0 came from Fifth Edition > > On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote: > >> In case people are wondering, I found this https://www.quora.com/Wha >> t-is-Unix-and-why-is-it-important which contains a blue-oval chart that >> shows it being derived from CB Unix 3. But that the sources were also >> different than the ones for VAXen, etc. At least that's the implication >> here. Is this chart in error? >> >> Warner >> >> >> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Clem cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote: >> >>> It contains Features from CB Unix but was not the same thing. In >>> particular shared memory and semaphores were contributed by Dale’s team but >>> it was PWB 3.0 that was rebranded system III and then updated and released >>> by USG aka summit eventually as sys V. System IV was not released outside >>> the bell system I’m not sure if it ever went out inside. >>> >>> Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not >>> quite. >>> >>> > On May 21, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > I had an e-mail from someone who said: >>> > >>> > PDP-11 Sys V is apparently derived from Unix CB 3.0, not from the >>> > normal route... Or so says the great interweb :) >>> > I found a family tree that suggests this. Know anything about this? >>> > >>> > I hadn't heard of this before, can anybody substantiate or negate this >>> > assertion, or shed more light on the genealogy od PDP-11 System V? >>> > >>> > Thanks, Warren >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20180521/24496514/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* [TUHS] Genealogy of PDP-11 Unix 2018-05-21 22:48 ` Clem Cole 2018-05-21 22:53 ` Warner Losh @ 2018-05-22 1:08 ` Ron Natalie 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Ron Natalie @ 2018-05-22 1:08 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1986 bytes --] Yep, as we say, it has more holes in it than Sonny Corleone. From: TUHS [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On Behalf Of Clem Cole Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 6:49 PM To: Warner Losh Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Subject: Re: [TUHS] Genealogy of PDP-11 Unix @Warner Losh - the picture with the blue balloons is so wrong.... There are a ton of errors, starting with claiming PWB 1.0 came from Fifth Edition On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote: In case people are wondering, I found this https://www.quora.com/What-is-Unix-and-why-is-it-important which contains a blue-oval chart that shows it being derived from CB Unix 3. But that the sources were also different than the ones for VAXen, etc. At least that's the implication here. Is this chart in error? Warner On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Clem cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote: It contains Features from CB Unix but was not the same thing. In particular shared memory and semaphores were contributed by Dale’s team but it was PWB 3.0 that was rebranded system III and then updated and released by USG aka summit eventually as sys V. System IV was not released outside the bell system I’m not sure if it ever went out inside. Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite. > On May 21, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt at tuhs.org> wrote: > > I had an e-mail from someone who said: > > PDP-11 Sys V is apparently derived from Unix CB 3.0, not from the > normal route... Or so says the great interweb :) > I found a family tree that suggests this. Know anything about this? > > I hadn't heard of this before, can anybody substantiate or negate this > assertion, or shed more light on the genealogy od PDP-11 System V? > > Thanks, Warren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20180521/bc8b4562/attachment.html> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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