From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a12cb0d5 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1F03E9B92B; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:10:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D23947B9; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:09:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 47507947B9; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:09:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from smtp-out-3.mxes.net (smtp-out-3.mxes.net [198.205.123.68]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DED0946BD for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:09:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Customer-MUA (mua.mxes.net [10.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CFC662736A for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Ronald Natalie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D681757D-3CE7-4FB4-BD78-03831E25CD25" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:09:35 -0400 References: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0342AEA8-FAEA-47C4-A518-CC33C5BA1D6A@ronnatalie.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Sent-To: Subject: Re: [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses - Series/1 NUXI X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_D681757D-3CE7-4FB4-BD78-03831E25CD25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Indeed, I remember this. It was either at the UDEL or UToronto meeting = if I recall I also remember a talk from a fledgling Microsoft group (when all = Microsoft was known for at the time was BASIC). It was also at the UDel conference where MIke Muuss got booed for = announcing he was from the Army=E2=80=99s lead laboratory in = Vulnerability and Lethality analysis. I also remember this guy getting booed off the stage for making a = commercial sales pitch. Years later I=E2=80=99m having dinner with = Mark Krieger (then of UniPress) and it dawned on me: You were the one who got booed at UDel. He said he had been half of = Whitesmiths. I laughed. I recounted when I saw their VMS C compiler = came with a license =E2=80=9Cstamp=E2=80=9D you were supposed to stick = on your machine. I wanted to know if that was so when the Whitesmith=E2=80=99s police = came by they=E2=80=99d know we were licensed. He said he was gone by = that point and that was how he knew Plauger had gone over the edge. I was working at Rutgers at the time and on a visit to a site on the = Newark canvas I found someone actually stuck one of these stamps on the = CPU there. I carefully peeled it off and gave it to Mark for = sentimental reasons. > On Sep 12, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Clem Cole wrote: >=20 > Kevin/Charlie: >=20 > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Kevin Bowling = > wrote: > Charlie, there is some interesting history of the pre-RS/6000 AIX > stuff here (you give a quote :)). Particularly page 41 gives a > chronology of UNIX at IBM: > = https://amaus.net/static/S100/IBM/RTPC/AIX%20Family%20Definition%201989.pd= f = > Awesome - thank you, >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > Prior to AIX the Series/1 had a UNIX port in the early '80s. I think > that work happened in Boca Raton. > FYI: the original S/1 port was done at Cleveland State with the = Seventh Edition - the name of the Prof that led it I can not say I = remember nor his HW configuration, but I do remember his presentation. = It is where the term 'NUXI' was coined. I want to say in 1979 or 1980, = they gave a wonderful talk about it. They had some help from folks at = Case as they did not have a PDP-11 of their own and never seen UNIX = before (i.e. they arranged to borrowed time on a PDP-11 at the EE Dept = at Case. They wrote a new back end for the Ritchie C compiler, and = recompiled everything, wrote new drivers for the S/1 HW and rewrote = m40.s as needed. Then they wrote the disks, then drove the packs back = to Cleveland State. IIRC it took a summer of work to complete). =20 >=20 > FWIW: The PDP-11 has an interesting way it does byte-swapping and when = they first booted the system, the first message was NUXI which was how = the S/1 saw the strings. The term was used from then on in the = community to describe byte-swapping issues. >=20 > I remember all of us in the audience howling with laughter when they = described their work. Unfortunately, this was before USENIX kept = conference proceedings so I'm not sure if the talk and paper were = archived. >=20 > And the truth is, I wish we had that port in the TUHS archives.=20 --Apple-Mail=_D681757D-3CE7-4FB4-BD78-03831E25CD25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Indeed, I remember this.  It was either at the UDEL or = UToronto meeting if I recall

I also remember a talk from a fledgling Microsoft group (when = all Microsoft was known for at the time was BASIC).

It was also at the UDel = conference where MIke Muuss got booed for announcing he was from the = Army=E2=80=99s lead laboratory in Vulnerability and Lethality = analysis.

I = also remember this guy getting booed off the stage for making a = commercial sales pitch.    Years later I=E2=80=99m having = dinner with Mark Krieger (then of UniPress) and it dawned on = me:
You were the one who got booed at UDel.   = He said he had been half of Whitesmiths.   I laughed.   =  I recounted when I saw their VMS C compiler came with a license = =E2=80=9Cstamp=E2=80=9D you were supposed to stick on your = machine.
I wanted to know if that was so when the = Whitesmith=E2=80=99s police came by they=E2=80=99d know we were = licensed.  He said he was gone by that point and that was how he = knew Plauger had gone over the edge.

I was working at Rutgers at the time = and on a visit to a site on the Newark canvas I found someone actually = stuck one of these stamps on the CPU there.   I carefully peeled it = off and gave it to Mark for sentimental reasons.

On Sep 12, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> = wrote:

Kevin/Charlie:

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Kevin = Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
Charlie, there is some interesting = history of the pre-RS/6000 AIX
stuff here (you give a quote :)).  Particularly page 41 gives a
chronology of UNIX at IBM:
https://amaus.net/static/S100/IBM/RTPC/AIX%20Family%20Definitio= n%201989.pdf
Awesome - thank = you,

 


Prior to AIX the Series/1 had a UNIX port in the early '80s.  I = think
that work happened in Boca Raton.
FYI: the original S/1 = port was done at Cleveland State with the Seventh Edition - the name of = the Prof that led it I can not say I remember nor his HW configuration, = but I do remember his presentation.  It is where the term 'NUXI' = was coined.  I want to say in 1979 or 1980, they gave a wonderful = talk about it.   They had some help from folks at Case as they = did not have a PDP-11 of their own and never seen UNIX before (i.e. they arranged to borrowed time on a PDP-11 at the EE = Dept at Case.  They wrote a new back end for the Ritchie C = compiler, and recompiled everything, wrote new drivers for the S/1 HW = and rewrote m40.s as needed.  Then they wrote the disks, then drove = the packs back to Cleveland State.  IIRC it took a summer of work = to complete).  

FWIW: The PDP-11 has an = interesting way it does byte-swapping and when they first booted the = system, the first message was NUXI which was how the S/1 saw the = strings.  The term was used from then on in the community to = describe byte-swapping issues.

I remember all of us in = the audience howling with laughter when they described their = work.    Unfortunately, this was before USENIX kept conference = proceedings so I'm not sure if the talk and paper were = archived.

And the truth = is, I wish we had that port = in the TUHS archives. 

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