From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 975521f1 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 11:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 62F4DA1847; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:57:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76159EE0C; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:57:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4E4239EE0C; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:57:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE (Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE [130.238.19.25]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5849EDE9 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:57:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59018030D; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 13:57:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at Update.UU.SE Received: from Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10040) with ESMTP id VhVw_cB5ABSw; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 13:57:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Trollet.local (178-82-175-247.dynamic.hispeed.ch [178.82.175.247]) by Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 13:57:38 +0200 (CEST) To: Clem cole References: <48b2a3f8-66ca-2527-f471-062eead1c6fe@update.uu.se> From: Johnny Billquist Message-ID: <04190921-6f50-a643-63f7-41f3bfd0b7e5@update.uu.se> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2018 13:57:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old mainframe I/O speed X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 2018-06-23 13:39, Clem cole wrote: > PCI was a late 1980s DEC design bus design that where released via license ala the Ethernet experience of the xerox/dec/Intel blue book. DEC had mostly learned it lesson that interface standards were better shared. I’ve forgotten now the name of the person who lead the team. I did not know him very well. I can picture his face as I said. It's just that this sounds so much like the TURBOchannel (not Turbobus as I wrote previously). That bus exactly matches your description of details, timelines and circumstances, while the PCI, to my knowledge don't match at all. And my recollection also matches Wikipedia, which even gives the PCI V1.0 spec being released in 1992. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_PCI) Compare to TURBOchannel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TURBOchannel Johnny > > Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite. > >> On Jun 23, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: >> >>> On 2018-06-22 20:01, Clem Cole wrote: >>> One of the other BI people, who's name now escapes me, although I can see >>> his face in my mind, maybe I'll think of it later), would go on to do the >>> PCI for Alpha a couple of years later. As I said, DEC did manage to get >>> that one public, after the BI was made private as Erik points out. >> >> Clem, I think I saw you say something similar in an earlier post. >> To me it sounds as if you are saying that DEC did/designed PCI. >> Are you sure about that? As far as I know, PCI was designed and created by Intel, and the first users were just plain PC machines. >> Alpha did eventually also get PCI, but it was not where it started, and DEC had no control at all about PCI being public. >> >> Might you have been thinking of Turbobus, Futurebus, or some other thing that DEC did? Or do you have some more information about DEC being the creator of PCI? >> >> Johnny >> >> -- >> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus >> || on a psychedelic trip >> email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books >> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol