From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 6179e9f7 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 21:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 97ED79B781; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:10:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E7594BCD; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:10:10 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="unknown key version" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=opencsw.org header.i=@opencsw.org header.b="KIdY24f1"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D36B794BCD; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:10:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.opencsw.org (mail.opencsw.org [82.220.5.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 010CF9491B for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 07:10:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.opencsw.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45pqf866KvzYC; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 23:09:52 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=opencsw.org; h= x-mailer:to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:date :date:in-reply-to:from:from:subject:subject:mime-version :content-type:content-type; s=csw02; t=1563397787; bh=LHr9tPazCG WUPc14X6L7BOjh0ak4ALYhoGJsRIwkc9Q=; b=KIdY24f1o5vvsZ4ITnW8GJGeCL h+0mRRhNgrGFQw+hSXxnnb3NPbf8CIvwC1aSXVHRrnfLym2BUOavklDxg2HBDQv8 afhp+nKTHOVnYxjibnYkLfeVjQTtLmeazKKJFEiIv12gSedSYpiTb1Vr1w8VSzKv 0qIVvzj+AOXbh1xFEy04xvGmytc3KqcB31mPZ/fMhycOHKrXwug3Z6jt8oJ3Kh5d beqkMjPLpPnfntV1eodCxwuEr2Ra0MmuLplrnzKx3PxN4sUmlrJw0AudqPIEhCrb u+Em8+rlsj/1NIZbNWfQcb+F5s2Z8SMuv4zNXyrhMICQU+g2IiA9pFkgsCsg== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at opencsw.org Received: from mail.opencsw.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.opencsw.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id NNg5mIdZ9TFN; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 23:09:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from andromeda.fritz.box (79-227-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de [86.103.227.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dam) by mail.opencsw.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45pqf25G5xzYB; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 23:09:46 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Dagobert Michelsen In-Reply-To: <5BBEAE16-9B06-4336-BEAC-C144B0BF11C7@cogs.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 23:09:51 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0540C2A3-02C7-4707-97C5-CFC602641852@opencsw.org> References: <8235a090-c48a-4587-8974-23305233bc33@PU1APC01FT026.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> <3CFC8159-08DD-4647-8CEF-FE8D196AB3C9@ccc.com> <610F6FCB-F24D-4788-953A-83E0E6456622@ccc.com> <017d16e0-3a7d-b3e7-29b8-8a454d78463f@e-bbes.com> <201907170810.x6H8AELx031974@freefriends.org> <46FC947C-F150-4835-A858-3EE05A394A6A@alchemistowl.org> <5BBEAE16-9B06-4336-BEAC-C144B0BF11C7@cogs.com> To: Ben Greenfield X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old 386 Unix Versions, was: Re: PCC for the i386 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Hi, Am 17.07.2019 um 17:08 schrieb Ben Greenfield via TUHS = : > To be more clear the innovations developed by Heinz Nixdorf in the = early days of the company did not contribute to Unix but was it also = concept and worthy of study. >=20 > After Heinz died the company lost direction and was purchased by = Siemens. Indeed. There is btw a very nice collection of european mainframes = presented in a collection at the =E2=80=9EComputermuseum=E2=80=9C at the = University of Applied Sciences in Kiel (sorry, webpages in German only): https://www.fh-kiel.de/index.php?id=3Dcomputermuseum https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computermuseum_der_Fachhochschule_Kiel The collection of mainframes is quite large and they have a good = collection of Zuse machines (although they lack a working Z1 which is presented in Berlin = and if you are lucky is explained by Horst Zuse, the son of Konrad Zuse). If you ever happen to be in northern Germany and want to give it a try = let me know and I=E2=80=99ll make sure you get a tour in english :-) Best regards =E2=80=94 Dago --=20 "You don't become great by trying to be great, you become great by = wanting to do something, and then doing it so hard that you become great in the process." - xkcd = #896