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[173.48.168.163]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u41-v6sm8755116qte.93.2018.06.16.06.11.18 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Jun 2018 06:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Clem cole X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15F79) In-Reply-To: <20180616125132.2663418C0A7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 09:11:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <05790A38-D097-4F12-8C6D-3CC6D153546D@ccc.com> References: <20180616125132.2663418C0A7@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> To: Noel Chiappa Subject: Re: [TUHS] core X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" And I believe at the time, KO was commenting in terms of Bell=E2=80=99s =E2= =80=98minimal computer=E2=80=99 definition (the =E2=80=98mini=E2=80=99 - aka= 12 bit systems) of the day -DEC=E2=80=99s PDP-8 not the 10. IIRC The 8 pre= tty much had a base price in the $30k range in the mid to late 60s. FWIW th= e original 8 was discrete bipolar (matched) transistors built with DEC flip c= hips. And physically about 2or3 19=E2=80=9D relay racks in size. Later mode= ls used TTL and got down to a single 3U =E2=80=98drawer.=E2=80=99 Clem Also please remember that originally, mini did not mean small. That was a c= omputer press redo when the single chip, =E2=80=98micro=E2=80=99 computers, c= ame to being in the mid 1970s Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite.= =20 On Jun 16, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> From: Dave Horsfall >=20 >>> one of the Watson's saying there was a probably market for >>> of computers; Ken Olsen saying people wouldn't want >>> computers in their homes; etc, etc. >=20 >> I seem to recall reading somewhere that these were urban myths... Does >> anyone have actual references in their contexts? >=20 > Well, for the Watson one, there is some controversy: >=20 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Watson#Famous_attribution >=20 > My guess is that he might actually have said it, and it was passed down or= ally > for a while before it was first written down. The thing is that he is alle= ged > to have said it in 1943, and there probably _was_ a market for only 5 of t= he > kind of computing devices available at that point (e.g. the Mark I). >=20 >> E.g. Watson was talking about the multi-megabuck 704/709/7094 etc >=20 > No. The 7094 is circa 1960, almost 20 years later. >=20 >=20 >> Olsens's quote was about the DEC-System 10... >=20 > Again, no. He did say it, but it was not about PDP-10s: >=20 > https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ken_Olsen >=20 > "Olsen later explained that he was referring to smart homes rather than > personal computers." Which sounds plausible (in the sense of 'what he mean= t', > not 'it was correct'), given where he said it (a World Future Society > meeting). >=20 > Noel