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Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7wy39p388a.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=8/90, host=mpv2-2015.case.edu X-Junkmail-PrAS-Raw: score=8/90, refid=2.7.2:2018.11.19.125118:17:8.317, ip=, rules=__HAS_REPLYTO, __HAS_CC_HDR, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_CC_X2, __CC_NAME, __CC_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC, __SUBJ_REPLY, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NAME, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC, __REFERENCES, __HAS_FROM, FROM_EDU_TLD, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, DATE_TZ_NA, __USER_AGENT, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __IN_REP_TO, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ADDY, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ACC, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_ANY_CC2, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_DOMAIN, __ANY_URI, __URI_WITH_PATH, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __URI_IN_BODY, __URI_NOT_IMG, __FORWARDED_MSG, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1200_1299, __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, IN_REP_TO, MSG_THREAD, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_RCPT, __TO_REAL_NAMES, [TRUNCATED], so=2010-03-03 19:42:08, dmn=2016-08-03-0138 X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020205.5BF2C375.006C,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2016-11-06 16:00:04, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 7b7759881ff34ad70e7e7736fa422f9d Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: chet.ramey@case.edu Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 11/19/18 1:13 AM, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Jon Steinhart wrote: >> Chet Ramey wrote: >>> Improvement is in the eye of the beholder. RMS and other folks consider >>> info, with its hyperlinks, indexes, and tree-based navigation the superior >>> alternative. Not just different, but better. >> So were it me, I would have looked at the current culture in the UNIX >> environment and figured out how it gracefully extend it for new >> functionality. > > Yes, that's would have been very reasonable. It was an explicit goal. From the GNU manifesto: "GNU will be able to run Unix programs, but will not be identical to Unix. We will make all improvements that are convenient, based on our experience with other operating systems." and "Unix is not my ideal system, but it is not too bad. The essential features of Unix seem to be good ones, and I think I can fill in what Unix lacks without spoiling them." Of course, one man's graceful extension is the next man's graceless pillaging. -- ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet@case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/