From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18525 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2023 22:41:15 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jan 2023 22:41:15 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD49424D1; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:41:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF241424B1 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:41:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from makerlispvps ([74.208.29.250]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MfnzW-1p6Tzy1gZw-00NCpK for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 23:41:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.234.128] (unknown [172.58.76.151]) by makerlispvps (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A49888776 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 22:41:05 +0000 (UTC) To: tuhs@tuhs.org References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301181513.30IFDDUJ015224@freefriends.org> <20230118151446.GD2964@mcvoy.com> <202301190802.30J82KwQ025718@freefriends.org> <20230119150434.GA626@mcvoy.com> <4804766e-9c80-5d49-cbd0-ebea3d897df7@makerlisp.com> From: Luther Johnson Message-ID: <06f13d64-d864-6aaa-4b39-c2c89a55dc06@makerlisp.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:41:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4804766e-9c80-5d49-cbd0-ebea3d897df7@makerlisp.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2FB6CC9A62A6B697B5B6BC3B" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:CxccJ53jFM1hftt/iEJIQmHZ+ndJpeXUUXPVI2Fm779R9rvrAxe 88l7iOvJuc6oc8FBlIgxD8KlB6ijNCEFW/hgO3wAOgf3gvEmMxLF7P5X1u/kPSmBqOAjhuU ppw7900hhykKqisqA6CRrWLGjTdKvunXYoHCFU2O5OJ71tNM48pD89/WfmvqREVstpE4ZmI J7UaR3J2ifq7TiTCccSWQ== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:i3q4vnuEtPs=;zCRxI6TwNilMqtmB2IqRwlY4hEw tfHrs03C/JP4+BdmQxV6uZrcyS5KTiSn2XbKRZHPkEY8DeObeI2db2nhIqFFJXT38DHe7e6WZ NDtMaI8tZ5TGSjy81ZGeZ1JXuuu42W+HAlOZ5FgB4hrnmJPR9hGU/caQ+WPkhKbfmRAPiHLxW FMTy+OkILqDm7mkfRdMbEp9LPJp1G+JX0hjk5bOMgR2k4Mri1TltqipQcnC7azfdeRdG4NxxR D9UP+ONuODYQUVHGent4vPf+NE0milUOzTPdyZ0kHY1yJn3RDSfjxsQ2mYlQJteNlymS0AK/7 nqRqQdjpjzgw2mG3tn49GGO4JMiwktWGG156vUPpmYleBzLVPIUZwdBWsDwrgZT4FrTnfFIK4 FUU4Uqgo/U9I4w6l5Gdmysfdlcn6LJa7ZvJtLCFUizyyZ78G7gC8uW3ND2R63W1ssMqAW1TGg eKYm2JajVsFowfVWS/wqYEZNHs/pX86MooUTPOmagGI8fRZ2qXrESKSK7NNO9sH17d6FaELAR zj+NMxgMlRjasolR/5LRoVLjH4fF/DGnWWCRB4cg9qCeLT+Tg71hufejSx9ymXGuCnXCW+NTk ZenXq1NN57GIyBN7OP7c2S4tk2i+ivtPv8jaZQaSPC0TLYwwuqyl0IVh2rytHDRbxU0yBTHdF QDxxAmvE6D2TZy/lCLjZI/MGRrglFmjPrlyDxYXHFQ== Message-ID-Hash: BHNB6OUT4KFK7XMGTX24UX274XMKKGOC X-Message-ID-Hash: BHNB6OUT4KFK7XMGTX24UX274XMKKGOC X-MailFrom: luther@makerlisp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The era of general purpose computing (Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2FB6CC9A62A6B697B5B6BC3B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be fair, one of my kids is an engineer, and definitely has several computers. But the others who are not, do not have personal computers, they have phones. On 01/19/2023 03:39 PM, Luther Johnson wrote: > > I think development environments will follow the people onto their > preferred platforms, and will change or adapt as necessary. So the > kind of computing we are used to, with a "computer", may become more > and more marginalized. Business will go where the numbers are, and > what we think of as mainstream will become "retro" or "vintage". Most > of my acquaintances who are 20 or 30 years younger than me, or my > now-grown children, already think using a "computer" is kind of a > "boomer" thing. > > On 01/19/2023 03:29 PM, Rich Salz wrote: >> >> What % of people running Chromebooks, Android or IOS >> do any real programming on it? Even for laptops and >> desktops that % is quite low. Most people run just a >> few apps. >> >> >> So what. 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