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([2600:1700:1960:6f09:30bd:384f:9b8:cc82]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 136sm540668ywy.104.2019.08.28.07.10.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 Aug 2019 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1CFC0B27-DF47-4902-8D60-36E76591B4E7 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Earl Baugh X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G102) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:10:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <08473671-7927-48B7-A4DD-5F766C34E2D7@gmail.com> References: <13c5c36e-c84d-e020-d09e-51c8c502dc6d@kilonet.net> To: Angus Robinson Subject: Re: [TUHS] If not Linux, then what? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail-1CFC0B27-DF47-4902-8D60-36E76591B4E7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One point/ direction nobody seems to have mentioned was =E2=80=9Cwhat if Lin= us found out about BSD on PC hw=E2=80=9D? =46rom what I=E2=80=99ve read he w= asn=E2=80=99t aware of it, so perhaps a very different outcome could have be= en =E2=80=94 what if Linus did find out about it and then ultimately took it= over ( removing the caustic personalities ) or at worst forked it. I thin= k that would have become a much preferable outcome. Just my $0.02.=20 Earl=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Angus Robinson wrote= : >=20 > Interesting question, the alternative OS would have had to have had a good= leader and I am sure maybe RMS would have created a kernel after some time.= =20 > Maybe somebody would have taken 386BSD/FreeBSD/NetBSD and made something c= ompletely different.=20 > I think another question would be, if Linux was never invented, what techn= ologies would never have happened. For instance, a bunch of animation movies= where made with Linux farms, Planes use Linux within their inbuilt entertai= nment systems, the list goes on (I think NASA uses linux on their ISS). How m= any people would be interested in technology/IT sector, how many companies w= ould have started (ie: RedHat, Thwat,etc), What features/addons would not ha= ve been added to other operating systems (Windows tcp/ip)? Would docker even= be a thing, hyper-v ? >=20 > I know one thing....... All the old technology would be alot more and scho= ols would have alot more vunerabilites on their PC's. >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >> On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 1:13 AM Arthur Krewat wrote:= >> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/08/26/0051234/celebrating-the-28th-an= niversary-of-the-linux-kernel >>=20 >> Leaving licensing and copyright issues out of this mental exercise, what=20= >> would we have now if it wasn't for Linux? Not what you'd WANT it to be,=20= >> although that can add to the discussion, but what WOULD it be? >>=20 >> I'm not asking as a proponent of Linux. If anything, I was dragged=20 >> kicking and screaming into the current day and have begrudgingly ceded=20= >> my server space to Linux. >>=20 >> But if not for Linux, would it be BSD? A System V variant? Or (the=20 >> horror) Windows NT? >>=20 >> I do understand that this has been discussed on the list before. I=20 >> think, however, it would make a good late-summer exercise. Or late=20 >> winter depending on where you are :) >>=20 >> art k. >>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-1CFC0B27-DF47-4902-8D60-36E76591B4E7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One point/ direction nobody seems to have m= entioned was =E2=80=9Cwhat if Linus found out about BSD on PC hw=E2=80=9D? &= nbsp;=46rom what I=E2=80=99ve read he wasn=E2=80=99t aware of it, so perhaps= a very different outcome could have been =E2=80=94 what if Linus did find o= ut about it and then ultimately took it over ( removing the caustic personal= ities ) or at worst forked it.   I think that would have become a much p= referable outcome.  Just my $0.02. 

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On Aug 28, 2019, at 5:36 AM, Angus Robinson <angus@fairhaven.za.net> wrote:
Interesti= ng question, the alternative OS would have had to have had a good leader and= I am sure maybe RMS would have created a kernel after some time. 
= Maybe somebody would have taken 386BSD/FreeBSD/NetBSD and made something com= pletely different. 
I think another question would be, if Lin= ux was never invented, what technologies would never have happened. For inst= ance, a bunch of animation movies where made with Linux farms, Planes use Li= nux within their inbuilt entertainment systems, the list goes on (I think NA= SA uses linux on their ISS). How many people would be interested in technolo= gy/IT sector, how many companies would have started (ie: RedHat, Thwat,etc),= What features/addons would not have been added to other operating systems (= Windows tcp/ip)? Would docker even be a thing, hyper-v ?

I know one thing....... All the old technology would be alot more and s= chools would have alot more vunerabilites on their PC's.

 


On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 1:13 AM Arthur Krewa= t <krewat@kilonet.net> wrote= :
https://linux.sl= ashdot.org/story/19/08/26/0051234/celebrating-the-28th-anniversary-of-the-li= nux-kernel

Leaving licensing and copyright issues out of this mental exercise, what would we have now if it wasn't for Linux? Not what you'd WANT it to be,
= although that can add to the discussion, but what WOULD it be?

I'm not asking as a proponent of Linux. If anything, I was dragged
kicking and screaming into the current day and have begrudgingly ceded
my server space to Linux.

But if not for Linux, would it be BSD? A System V variant? Or (the
horror) Windows NT?

I do understand that this has been discussed on the list before. I
think, however, it would make a good late-summer exercise. Or late
winter depending on where you are :)

art k.


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