From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7fbe412b for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3DCE0A1C5D; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 07:31:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDBDA1C50; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 07:31:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 761BFA1C5C; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 07:31:05 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 516 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 07:31:04 AEST Received: from smtp3.via.net (smtp3.via.net [157.22.3.7]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CA6FA1C50 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 07:31:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.via.net (mail.via.net [157.22.3.34]) by smtp3.via.net (8.15.2/8.14.1-VIANET) with ESMTPS id x05LKLgn019761 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Jan 2019 13:20:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at smtp3.via.net Received: from [209.81.2.65] ([209.81.2.65]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.via.net (8.15.2/8.14.1-VIANET) with ESMTPSA id x05LKKth016213 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 5 Jan 2019 13:20:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: joe mcguckin X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <1948728932.119177.1546708052740.JavaMail.tomcat@india-live-be04> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 13:20:10 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <09A1D9A6-20B4-4924-8E42-B8A75226552B@via.net> References: <201901050226.x052QigU089781@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <22BA2F17-310F-4396-A35A-23E2D1130018@ronnatalie.com> <20190105153133.GA24497@mcvoy.com> <1948728932.119177.1546708052740.JavaMail.tomcat@india-live-be04> To: Donald ODona X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (smtp3.via.net [157.22.3.7]); Sat, 05 Jan 2019 13:20:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Isaacson v Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Stig? Joe McGuckin ViaNet Communications joe@via.net 650-207-0372 cell 650-213-1302 office 650-969-2124 fax > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Donald ODona = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > At 5 Jan 2019 15:40:13 +0000 (+00:00) from Larry McVoy : >> +1. RMS always talked big but the real work was done by other = people. >> GCC was Tiemann at Sun and then at Cygnus, groff was James Clark, >> etc. I think RMS hacked on emacs but not much else. > RMS hired a programmer for emacs already in the 80ths. He also became = the maintainer then. It was the dude lucid hired for xemacs. After he = skilled jwz at. al. they fired him. Tragical case.