From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2624 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2023 15:58:39 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Jan 2023 15:58:39 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEF74248D; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 01:58:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl [195.121.94.167]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E55DF4248C for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 01:58:20 +1000 (AEST) X-KPN-MessageId: 3c3f8324-9d92-11ed-b20d-005056abbe64 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.39]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 3c3f8324-9d92-11ed-b20d-005056abbe64; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 16:58:12 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=planet.nl; s=planet01; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-type:from; bh=Gv91Bj0224I3Cx7niph8QZaoOucYNtd9ScNxx+e+WEE=; b=hWWT/QRmSd/3meu1DTroWIuA90V6Dxe1Td4jh7yh/0QlyH94ROvnh97YBS4bRuBMDfBpaslp4cdya PEEqrMBtnMWDTruobtEdIJwgtXZtfYIlWYjYc9A2iUc73pro7XtMwN2LttfaWfKUhSLgfysRJaw6Eg 7hne2lEEeccueRnI= X-KPN-MID: 33|xiof96irDowMhAeFhOuMi6jWq3m1WWNMSAl72FNP56f7nBGBc3ZHxdLsYCCro9d pu39oSa5SA08z10NzdqPx+UDsUY5q9mYRFGMsfwDgHYM= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|MzVI50rigXUOxgZ6hU5Ds7LT9gV+Q9pc2xqcvtzoCR1c1wiqoQpdBwNPjJR09Ur 9ds64xyyU+mUs0pCaabhvZA== X-Originating-IP: 77.172.38.96 Received: from smtpclient.apple (77-172-38-96.fixed.kpn.net [77.172.38.96]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 3c3e1ae4-9d92-11ed-ab4c-005056ab7447; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 16:58:12 +0100 (CET) From: Paul Ruizendaal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Message-Id: <0C5D8AF8-BAB2-48B5-854B-34E3A949DE50@planet.nl> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 16:58:11 +0100 To: "tuhs@tuhs.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Message-ID-Hash: FMZWKKOO3XCNRFAYFMFLTMH26QLQHWA5 X-Message-ID-Hash: FMZWKKOO3XCNRFAYFMFLTMH26QLQHWA5 X-MailFrom: pnr@planet.nl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Earliest UNIX Workstations? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: As a result of the recent discussion on this list I=E2=80=99m trying to = understand the timeline of graphical computing on Unix, first of all in = my preferred time slot =E2=80=9975 -=E2=80=9985. When it comes to Bell Labs I=E2=80=99m aware of the following: - around 1975 the Labs worked on the Glance-G vector graphics terminal. = This was TSS-516 based with no Unix overlap I think. - around the same time the Labs seem to have used the 1973 Dec VT11 = vector graphics terminal; at least the surviving LSX Unix source has a = driver for it - in 1976 there was the Terak 8510; this ran primarily USCD pascal, but = it also ran LSX and/or MX (but maybe only much later) - then it seems to jump 1981 and to the Blit. - in 1984 there was MGR that was done at Bellcore Outside of the labs (but on Unix), I have: - I am not sure what graphics software ran on the SUN-1, but it must = have been something - Clem just mentioned the 1981 Tektronix Magnolia system - Wikipedia says that X1 was 1984 and X11 was 1987; I=E2=80=99m not sure = when it became Unix centered - Sun=E2=80=99s NeWS arrived only in 1989, I think? Outside of Unix, in the microcomputer world there was a lot of cheap(er) = graphics hardware. Lot=E2=80=99s of stuff at 256 x 192 resolution, but = up to 512 x 512 at the higher end. John Walker writes that the breakout = product for Autodesk was Interact (the precursor to AutoCAD). Initially = developed for S-100 bus systems it quickly moved to the PC. There was a = lot of demand for CAD at a 5K price point that did not exist at a 50K = price point.