From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4526 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2022 06:31:36 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Jan 2022 06:31:36 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 907FC9D050; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 16:31:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987F39CF7E; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 16:31:06 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=cfcl.com header.i=@cfcl.com header.b="IICqyh9H"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 174D59CF7E; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 16:31:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f46.google.com (mail-pj1-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E40C9C78F for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 16:31:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-f46.google.com with SMTP id n30-20020a17090a5aa100b001b2b6509685so9595283pji.3 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 22:31:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cfcl.com; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=QWg3c2i0LOoegf2Dh7kIzjx5rSo/RM7GrkUCsb1clN0=; b=IICqyh9HtWczbs9cQXKQdmCUxJA3xFmWB2ATbiGVeNzTi4CylvnNuv4Kp6wVDrxvZ+ hg+C18mPR0DIH0eY4sgFw00v0ubwyq/gJoiFg71gq3g9+i22YdZUgyajUblV1kqneUuj B7ZxeucmBmCnVyjr/NYvToBXIkpTQFFMEUIcwOUd4zCXTBycZ0kgm3Gitbmfa/cQanDC j9LH9FI+qe6YThInyWDcNFHwoxQUI7slHh7RGRvxG+htG2EVPqMRF7ODQ+yuFqPNCqQR jgsCsoRLD6/DAH3oQ+OOsj2yIvtoDChDEBVcFBzJbeeGv1BpPSU0iNcUCJmOLMSAu0kG nz+w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=QWg3c2i0LOoegf2Dh7kIzjx5rSo/RM7GrkUCsb1clN0=; b=AgvALEYuuO5205lhkidkE5r66TRn5q3r06FBhAwhNcPLK9djo7zYodh++A3EdIbTs8 OK08lhIHALn3g7EWZ4T2PxmmcF3QGOZdv3BwAFrtt0fSL+A5J9pRxiFC0/7XZk4a7wYD PY6jXC1kSceRRNx27Ez82U7gn1ih9E512peruzggsS/kD3wzJ+hC4B6HwVcvlHZxX3Sd dMmFHQYatNCkbFEm+2tj8KpdqGFJ+X19V/jIH0PWhvz/K93g8j6UQKyZzVYyJdEL++3D yG7EMwQytLFdqwgTEFU3Gzf7ugk8zDwPLoT28QHA3CB4iw30BxAXa1h2mcqIWjBMlKXQ 5mzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530XFcz0hHXZRCkrUoM1tj7ElrHIqcg4De2cPcro1DJa5KM/hDbg LtkTnPePKaK538HOoQHf7mBdUHXP7WY+dg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz+Bm6NB20MPUnjcnvfDfwbhnDoFLQkLP8W1mnM+s/PbcIUYBHICPirSTd0dPBo6WorIYHt2w== X-Received: by 2002:a63:9242:: with SMTP id s2mr2758373pgn.316.1642055459457; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 22:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.4.38] (24-113-81-134.wavecable.com. [24.113.81.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m3sm1440201pfa.183.2022.01.12.22.30.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Jan 2022 22:30:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Rich Morin In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 22:30:56 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0C95C05B-53CA-4AF8-8E24-4C24D34ED053@cfcl.com> References: <202201121258.20CCwPEF013323@freefriends.org> To: TUHS main list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Subject: Re: [TUHS] struct(1) revived! And a request for help X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On Jan 12, 2022, at 20:23, Douglas McIlroy = wrote: >=20 > ... users' reports that the derived Ratfort was easier to > understand than the Fortran they had written themselves. In the late 70's, I started working on some Fortran code for an = astrophysicist. The code was written in Fortran II and I found it very = difficult to read. So, I turned it into VAX VMS Fortran 77 (not Ratfor, = but a lot closer to it :-). The scientist was _not_ happy, saying that he would no longer be able to = read his code. I informed him that (a) Fortran 77 was the current = standard and (b) he was welcome to go back to his Fortran II version, = but that he'd have to do so without my assistance. He grumbled a bit, = but acquiesced... -r