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CTRY:US; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:exchange.superglobalmegacorp.local; PTR:joe28.superglobalmegacorp.com; CAT:NONE; SFS:(396003)(39830400003)(136003)(346002)(376002)(83730400007)(46966006)(36840700001)(5660300002)(70206006)(16670700002)(86362001)(8936002)(37786003)(33656002)(82310400003)(53546011)(356005)(8676002)(36906005)(36860700001)(316002)(110136005)(42186006)(83380400001)(6666004)(478600001)(186003)(426003)(33716001)(336012)(2906002)(47076005)(26005)(9686003)(70586007)(966005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; X-OriginatorOrg: superglobalmegacorp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2021 05:12:01.5542 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3d77034f-3dce-4f87-abf3-08d8fb160288 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 870ed452-0577-4b7b-90ed-9cac080031b9 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalAttributedTenantConnectingIp: TenantId=870ed452-0577-4b7b-90ed-9cac080031b9; Ip=[172.86.181.34]; Helo=[exchange.superglobalmegacorp.local] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: HK2APC01FT039.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: KL1PR02MB5012 Subject: Re: [TUHS] SUN (Stanford University Network) was PC Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Is there any solid info on the Stanford SUN boards? I just know the SUN-1 was based around them, but they aren't the same thing? And apparently cisco used them as well but 'borrowed' someone's RTOS design as the basis for IOS? There was some lawsuit and Stanford got cisco network gear for years for free but they couldn't take stock for some reason? I see more and more of these CP/M SBC's on ebay/online and it seems odd that there is no 'DIY' SUN boards... Or were they not all that open, hence why they kind of disappeared? -----Original Message----- From: Jon Steinhart To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Sent: 4/8/21 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix Larry McVoy writes: > On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:18:04AM +0200, Thomas Paulsen wrote: > > >From: John Gilmore > > >Sun was making 68000-based systems in 1981, before the IBM PC was created. > > > > Sun was founded on February 24, 1982. The Sun-1 was launched in May 1982. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-1 > > John may be sort of right, I bet avb was building 68k machines at > Stanford before SUN was founded. Sun stood for Stanford University > Network I believe. > > --lm Larry is correct. I remember visiting a friend of mind, Gary Newman, who was working at Lucasfilm in '81. He showed me a bunch of stuff that they were doing on Stanford University Network boards. Full disclosure, it was Gary and Paul Rubinfeld who ended up at DEC and I believe was the architect for the microVax who told me about the explorer scout post at BTL which is how I met Heinz. Jon