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CTRY:US; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:exchange.superglobalmegacorp.local; PTR:joe28.superglobalmegacorp.com; CAT:NONE; SFS:(136003)(376002)(346002)(396003)(39830400003)(83730400007)(36840700001)(46966006)(26005)(42186006)(16670700002)(83380400001)(966005)(86362001)(478600001)(316002)(36906005)(6666004)(8936002)(110136005)(8676002)(426003)(33716001)(336012)(70206006)(4326008)(70586007)(186003)(82310400003)(33656002)(36860700001)(5660300002)(9686003)(356005)(53546011)(37786003)(47076005)(2906002)(99710200001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; X-OriginatorOrg: superglobalmegacorp.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2021 02:21:28.5925 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 4b9181ea-10ac-4ad8-7f04-08d8fbc759bf X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 870ed452-0577-4b7b-90ed-9cac080031b9 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalAttributedTenantConnectingIp: TenantId=870ed452-0577-4b7b-90ed-9cac080031b9; Ip=[172.86.181.34]; Helo=[exchange.superglobalmegacorp.local] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: HK2APC01FT115.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PU1PR02MB2442 Subject: Re: [TUHS] SUN (Stanford University Network) was PC Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "'tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org '" Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I'd totally subscribe to your newsletter :P that's cool, there is a tape dump of the old stuff on bitsavers... the UniSoft port I think was the original stuff before Bill showed up? http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/Sun/UniSoft_1.3/ along with some ROM images http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/Sun/sun1/ but more pictures and whatnot are always interesting! -----Original Message----- From: Earl Baugh To: Clem Cole Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Sent: 4/10/21 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [TUHS] SUN (Stanford University Network) was PC Unix I=E2=80=99ve done a fair amount of research on Sun 1=E2=80=99s since I = have one ( and it has one of the original 68k motherboards with the original proms ). It=E2=80=99s on my list to create a Sun 1 registry along the lines of = the Apple 1 registry. ( https://www.apple1registry.com/ ) Right now, I can positively identify 24 machines that still exist. Odd serial numbering makes it very hard to know exactly how many they made. Cisco was sued by Stanford over the Sun 1. From what I read, they made off with some Stanford property ( SW and HW ). Wikipedia mentions this = ( and I have some supporting documents as well ). They ended up licensing from Stanford as part of the settlement. From what I=E2=80=99ve = gathered VLSI licensed the design from Stanford not Andy directly. However the only produced a few machines and Andy wasn=E2=80=99t all that happy with = that. That was one of the impetus is to getting sun formed and licensing the same design. I also believe another company ( or 2 )licensed the design but either didn=E2=80=99t produce any or very very few machines.=20 You can tell a difference between VLSI boards and the Sun Microsystems boards because the SUN is all capitalized on the VLSI boards ( and is Sun on the others ). At least on the few I=E2=80=99ve seen pictures = of.=20 The design was also licensed to SGI =E2=80=94 I=E2=80=99ve seen a = prototype SGI board that=E2=80=99s the same thing with a larger PCB to allow some = extensions.=20 And the original CPU boards didn=E2=80=99t have an MMU. They could only = run Sun OS up to 0.9, I believe was the version. When Bill Joy got there, again from what I=E2=80=99ve gathered, he wanted to bring more of the BSD = code over and they had to change the system board. This is why you see the Sun 1/150 model number ( as an upgrade to the original Sun 1/100 = designation ). The rack mounted Sun 1/120 was changed to the 1/170. The same upgraded CPU board was used in the Sun 2/120 at least initially. =20 The original Sun OS wasn=E2=80=99t BSD based. It was a V32 variant I = believe. And the original CPU boards were returned to Sun, I believe as part of the upgrade from the 1/100 to the 1/150. ( Given people had just paid $10,000 for a machine having to replace the entire machine = would=E2=80=99ve been bad from a customer perspective). Sun did board upgrade trade ups = after this ( I worked at a company and we purchased an upgrade to upgrade a Sun 3/140 to a Sun 3/110 =E2=80=94 the upgrade consisted of a CPU board = swap and a different badge for the box )=20 Sun then, from when I can tell, sold the original CPU boards to a = German company that was producing a V32 system. They changed out the PROMs = but you can see the Sun logo and part numbers on the boards=20 I could go on and on about this topic ? A Sun 1 was a =E2=80=9Cbucket list=E2=80=9D machine for me - and I am = still happy that some friends were willing to take a 17 hour road trip from Atlanta to Minnesota to pick mine up. ? After unparking the drive heads it booted up, first try ( I was only willing to try that without a bunch of testing work because I have some spare power supplies and a couple plastic tubs of multi bus boards that came with it ?)=20 Earl=20 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Clem Cole wrote: ? On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:10 AM Tom Lyon < pugs@ieee.org > wrote: Prior to Sun, Andy had a company called VLSI Technology, Inc. which licensed SUN designs to 5-10 companies, including Forward Technology = and CoData, IIRC. The SUN IPR effectively belonged to Andy, but I don't know what kind of legal arrangement he had with Stanford. But the design was not generally public, and relied on CAD tools only extant on the Stanford PDP-10. Cisco did start with the SUN-1 processor, though whether they got it from Andy or direct from Stanford is not known to me. When Cisco started (1984), the Sun-1 was long dead already at Sun. Bits passing in the night -- this very much is what I remember, expereinced.=20 =20 ?