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([2601:602:a80:5770:1952:27e0:38da:34c2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4sm4948758pfz.185.2019.10.31.08.10.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:10:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Tom Lyon , arnold@skeeve.com References: <20191029040434.GA29996@minnie.tuhs.org> <201910310751.x9V7pJ26030054@freefriends.org> From: Heinz Lycklama Organization: Open Systems Technology Associates Message-ID: <0a6ceaeb-29d0-8bae-ec17-51c0d4a73bc6@osta.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:10:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FB8F79ED96A176EB877EDE69" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix, IBM, 370 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: heinz@osta.com Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FB8F79ED96A176EB877EDE69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We (INTERACTIVE Systems Corp.) also did a port of UNIX to IBM's VM/370 for IBM in the mid 1980's. Also ported UNIX to Hitachi's mainframe in the late 1980's, although it's not mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Systems_Corporation Heinz On 10/31/2019 6:51 AM, Tom Lyon wrote: > The Bell Labs 370 port was different, it was based on running inside > of TSS/370, which was an IBM OS which hardly anyone besides Bells's > ESS group used. > > Clem can tell us all about the IBM/Locus port to the 370.  And maybe > there was another IBM port?? > > Much later, Sun ported Solaris to the Hitachi HDS 370 clones (for > Hitachi), and then to Amdahl clones for Amdahl/Fujitsu. > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:51 AM > wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > Kudos for making these things available. The links are great reading > as well. > > I have the strong impression that this is different from the port > at Bell Labs described in the 1984 BSTJ article; can you confirm? > > Warren, can you add the links into the README or whatever that's > in the archive? > > Thanks, > > Arnold > > Tom Lyon > wrote: > > > Hi, folks. Tom Lyon here - this UNIX 370 stuff was recovered by > Stephen at > > LCM+L from DECtapes that I've had sitting around for 40+ years. > > You can read all about the Princeton/Amdahl project here: > > https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/12/370unixpart1/ > > > > If anyone wants to get serious with the code, you'll need > Hercules with a > > VM/370 image as well as a PDP-11 emulator running V6. There's > not a lot > > beyond the kernel, I got the shell working enough to prove that fork > > worked, and then ran out of steam because of the awful communication > > problems between the PDP and the IBM.  [ But that was my start as a > > networking guy ]. I personally haven't had time to do anything > with the > > recovered bits. > > > > I've been lurking on TUHS for a while - a special Hi to Ken > Thompson and > > Steve Johnson. I owe a lot to each of them. Read about my summer > at Bell > > with the Interdata 8/32 here: > https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/16/belllabspart1/ > > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:04 PM Warren Toomey > wrote: > > > > > All, the second Unix artifact that I've been waiting to > announce has > > > arrived. This time the LCM+L is announcing it. It's not the > booting PDP-7. > > > > > > So, cast your eyes on > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/IBM/370/ > > > > > > Cheers, Warren > > > > > > P.S Thanks to Stephen Jones for this as well. > > > > > > > > > -- > > - Tom > > > > -- > - Tom --------------FB8F79ED96A176EB877EDE69 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We (INTERACTIVE Systems Corp.) also did a port of UNIX to
IBM's VM/370 for IBM in the mid 1980's. Also ported UNIX
to Hitachi's mainframe in the late 1980's, although it's not
mentioned here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Systems_Corporation

Heinz

On 10/31/2019 6:51 AM, Tom Lyon wrote:
The Bell Labs 370 port was different, it was based on running inside of TSS/370, which was an IBM OS which hardly anyone besides Bells's ESS group used.

Clem can tell us all about the IBM/Locus port to the 370.  And maybe there was another IBM port??

Much later, Sun ported Solaris to the Hitachi HDS 370 clones (for Hitachi), and then to Amdahl clones for Amdahl/Fujitsu.

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:51 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,

Kudos for making these things available. The links are great reading
as well.

I have the strong impression that this is different from the port
at Bell Labs described in the 1984 BSTJ article; can you confirm?

Warren, can you add the links into the README or whatever that's
in the archive?

Thanks,

Arnold

Tom Lyon <pugs@ieee.org> wrote:

> Hi, folks. Tom Lyon here - this UNIX 370 stuff was recovered by Stephen at
> LCM+L from DECtapes that I've had sitting around for 40+ years.
> You can read all about the Princeton/Amdahl project here:
> https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/12/370unixpart1/
>
> If anyone wants to get serious with the code, you'll need Hercules with a
> VM/370 image as well as a PDP-11 emulator running V6. There's not a lot
> beyond the kernel, I got the shell working enough to prove that fork
> worked, and then ran out of steam because of the awful communication
> problems between the PDP and the IBM.  [ But that was my start as a
> networking guy ]. I personally haven't had time to do anything with the
> recovered bits.
>
> I've been lurking on TUHS for a while - a special Hi to Ken Thompson and
> Steve Johnson. I owe a lot to each of them. Read about my summer at Bell
> with the Interdata 8/32 here: https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/16/belllabspart1/
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:04 PM Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
>
> > All, the second Unix artifact that I've been waiting to announce has
> > arrived. This time the LCM+L is announcing it. It's not the booting PDP-7.
> >
> > So, cast your eyes on https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/IBM/370/
> >
> > Cheers, Warren
> >
> > P.S Thanks to Stephen Jones for this as well.
> >
>
>
> --
> - Tom


--
- Tom

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