* [TUHS] in memoriam - Bill English, mouse co-creator
@ 2020-08-10 22:49 Will Senn
2020-08-11 14:01 ` Clem Cole
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From: Will Senn @ 2020-08-10 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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All,
About a week ago, Bill English passed away. He was a Xerox guy, who
along with Douglas Engelbart of "Mother of all demos" fame, created our
beloved mouse:
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53638033
I remember, back in the mid-1980's being part of a focus group
evaluating Microsoft's mouse. Wow, time flies.
-Will
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* Re: [TUHS] in memoriam - Bill English, mouse co-creator
2020-08-10 22:49 [TUHS] in memoriam - Bill English, mouse co-creator Will Senn
@ 2020-08-11 14:01 ` Clem Cole
2020-08-11 17:30 ` Earl Baugh
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From: Clem Cole @ 2020-08-11 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Will Senn; +Cc: TUHS main list
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Thanks, Will. A mild sigh while reading it though because history seems to
often forget Jack Hawley's role. Truth is he did not invent it, but he
>>is<< the one that made them and got people to use them (the Xerox Alto's
used a Hawley Mouse, DEC would use it, E&S used them etc.). As this
article points out, he made about 80% of all the mice used in the 1970s:
https://www.oldmouse.com/mouse/hawley/ - certainly the first ones I used
at CMU before we got the Altos and then after the first Alto's appeared.
Tek's Magnolia used a flavor of the Hawley mouse in 1979 [the ones with
buttons horizontal/parallel to the 'body' - the original Alto mouse the
buttons were horizontal and colored), but I don't remember what 3Rivers
PascAlto used - I think so, but I don't remember.
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:50 PM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> About a week ago, Bill English passed away. He was a Xerox guy, who along
> with Douglas Engelbart of "Mother of all demos" fame, created our beloved
> mouse:
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53638033
>
> I remember, back in the mid-1980's being part of a focus group evaluating
> Microsoft's mouse. Wow, time flies.
>
> -Will
>
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> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF
>
>
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* Re: [TUHS] in memoriam - Bill English, mouse co-creator
2020-08-11 14:01 ` Clem Cole
@ 2020-08-11 17:30 ` Earl Baugh
2020-08-11 17:40 ` Lawrence Stewart
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From: Earl Baugh @ 2020-08-11 17:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Clem Cole; +Cc: TUHS main list
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The Sun 1 also had a Hawley mouse ( as an early option ), before they switched to the optical.
Earl
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, Will. A mild sigh while reading it though because history seems to often forget Jack Hawley's role. Truth is he did not invent it, but he >>is<< the one that made them and got people to use them (the Xerox Alto's used a Hawley Mouse, DEC would use it, E&S used them etc.). As this article points out, he made about 80% of all the mice used in the 1970s: https://www.oldmouse.com/mouse/hawley/ - certainly the first ones I used at CMU before we got the Altos and then after the first Alto's appeared.
>
> Tek's Magnolia used a flavor of the Hawley mouse in 1979 [the ones with buttons horizontal/parallel to the 'body' - the original Alto mouse the buttons were horizontal and colored), but I don't remember what 3Rivers PascAlto used - I think so, but I don't remember.
>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:50 PM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> About a week ago, Bill English passed away. He was a Xerox guy, who along with Douglas Engelbart of "Mother of all demos" fame, created our beloved mouse:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53638033
>>
>> I remember, back in the mid-1980's being part of a focus group evaluating Microsoft's mouse. Wow, time flies.
>>
>> -Will
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>> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF
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* Re: [TUHS] in memoriam - Bill English, mouse co-creator
2020-08-11 17:30 ` Earl Baugh
@ 2020-08-11 17:40 ` Lawrence Stewart
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From: Lawrence Stewart @ 2020-08-11 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Earl Baugh; +Cc: TUHS main list
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> On 2020, Aug 11, at 1:30 PM, Earl Baugh <earl.baugh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Sun 1 also had a Hawley mouse ( as an early option ), before they switched to the optical.
>
> Earl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 11, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Will. A mild sigh while reading it though because history seems to often forget Jack Hawley's role. Truth is he did not invent it, but he >>is<< the one that made them and got people to use them (the Xerox Alto's used a Hawley Mouse, DEC would use it, E&S used them etc.). As this article points out, he made about 80% of all the mice used in the 1970s: https://www.oldmouse.com/mouse/hawley/ <https://www.oldmouse.com/mouse/hawley/> - certainly the first ones I used at CMU before we got the Altos and then after the first Alto's appeared.
>>
>> Tek's Magnolia used a flavor of the Hawley mouse in 1979 [the ones with buttons horizontal/parallel to the 'body' - the original Alto mouse the buttons were horizontal and colored), but I don't remember what 3Rivers PascAlto used - I think so, but I don't remember.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 6:50 PM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com <mailto:will.senn@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> About a week ago, Bill English passed away. He was a Xerox guy, who along with Douglas Engelbart of "Mother of all demos" fame, created our beloved mouse:
>>
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53638033 <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53638033>
>>
>> I remember, back in the mid-1980's being part of a focus group evaluating Microsoft's mouse. Wow, time flies.
>>
>> -Will
>> --
>> GPG Fingerprint: 68F4 B3BD 1730 555A 4462 7D45 3EAA 5B6D A982 BAAF
Hawley built the first mice used by PARC. The first optical mouse was invented, AFAIK, by Dick Lyon, see http://www.dicklyon.com/tech/OMouse/OpticalMouse-Lyon.pdf <http://www.dicklyon.com/tech/OMouse/OpticalMouse-Lyon.pdf> This paper has a brief history of Xerox mechanical mice as well.
Dick is just a renaissance engineer, with contributions to hearing aids, the Fovea camera, and he later designed the Google Street View cameras. His book on Human and Machine Hearing is outstanding.
-L
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