From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2204 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2021 23:13:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Jul 2021 23:13:29 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9915D9C8E4; Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:13:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517B49C86C; Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:13:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 22CD19C86C; Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:12:46 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 2833 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sun, 04 Jul 2021 09:12:45 AEST Received: from knecht.neophilic.com (knecht.neophilic.com [70.36.157.234]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8647E9C864 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:12:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from irma.neophilic.com (2-140.dhcp.neophilic.net [10.0.2.140]) (authenticated bits=0) by knecht.neophilic.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 163MPOsD054067 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tuhs@eric.allman.name) X-Authentication-Warning: knecht.neophilic.com: Host 2-140.dhcp.neophilic.net [10.0.2.140] claimed to be irma.neophilic.com To: Warner Losh , Clem Cole References: From: Eric Allman Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=tuhs@eric.allman.name; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQGiBDu8yuARBADuTa8bzS4Er9urm7XPu5vtrRRJMoY2/mvuQeRHpvHF6ncUF2ZC9nAkIYb6 Upl9UOCZxG6uwxzzzSnxeHg7aAVY/TEN4FukuN1X1aGvol/V8PM1nV5vyLFk/Tf/Q/yoN/w8 tK9dp/O2EflChD/i/J9vWIppg3rVKK6FPW4CuqqaiwCg/ytVY7yJHZCCrhRioLBtKaCGUB0D /20dzSKBUdOxSvfg3NKt7gojiqulxmNbRkkjuhbKMRiQ0jjt16L9h+zlS1mXNT91/Ds08WtF 99Z3YffTflcbU9uBea6AJhzIaYVHwCJsNyP+rGE+9CM1YZpwm5k/ZBr7iOr0tkI1o39JRg75 Ih18gnPVXovH+VhsXRGtxTqn7+dmBADmmsHL8u/qbBWKIC3TYpXH8rJBIJXHwvOrI4HbEvAh xzD/Zy6yGMgiTZ8quGHzmdm1kD53s/TVcgEo/XWlgy9Cr05tU16UGEx/Q38K4IetCTGjhOvY a0+I012p5ZK1KqnIjUuCAy7VgGy75sBPKzYeUjJ1yAO7+EMXaZP6Olejn7QiRXJpYyBQLiBB bGxtYW4gPGVyaWNAU2VuZG1haWwuQ09NPohOBBARAgAOBAsDAQICGQEFAju8yuEACgkQMRmA Uc8aTSwR/gCfcq/84OdF6e6hkUQQbVFPqsxS6N0An13gLkFVkPJrMs+5PK5ogl0k7yW8uQIN BDu8yuAQCAD2Qle3CH8IF3KiutapQvMF6PlTETlPtvFuuUs4INoBp1ajFOmPQFXz0AfGy0Op lK33TGSGSfgMg71l6RfUodNQ+PVZX9x2Uk89PY3bzpnhV5JZzf24rnRPxfx2vIPFRzBhznzJ Zv8V+bv9kV7HAarTW56NoKVyOtQa8L9GAFgr5fSI/VhOSdvNILSd5JEHNmszbDgNRR0PfIiz HHxbLY7288kjwEPwpVsYjY67VYy4XTjTNP18F1dDox0YbN4zISy1Kv884bEpQBgRjXyEpwpy 1obEAxnIByl6ypUM2Zafq9AKUJsCRtMIPWakXUGfnHy9iUsiGSa6q6Jew1XpMgs7AAICB/0d vsPKvMXcKls8RHeYcleBEQEgXovGaTNo8R3ZVjPcDUKcQbfWMP8w5qJKf36hvBsjEgfVJW7r lKUtA82H66ivnAgAqWZMgfROKSHwaTFScFWLR8lG5e7sd2OZ4xqDe6+BpYlmJocR2riughz8 B7p1RhINqpfslZ0QEdB/fscntjoBvohtjG80BwB/tB6gnWHsjd9Cv6QfiNYOzAWaQo+BmcFq kmTYwrXFFNWHjOWfCUyjg2kqztl0DHjmZ7AzgHgTEnPku2TlMXwaGbHZKDOwLP/dteywinK6 SEOW2HrQBMxkMQGEZWtOH6hjszJtkqn+V4O0c92d4FjaQhvleSL7iD8DBRg7vMrgMRmAUc8a TSwRAklEAJ44uotW5aUoI1uMu94xIkLeCI6iWACg1IbChgU5suH4a+T68hfH8Jwa140= Message-ID: <0c3ba540-0df0-b4e6-bf04-8169e22a5f74@neophilic.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:25:24 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FFD7A8B54DF9C69CAD9866C9" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] First machine to run rogue? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FFD7A8B54DF9C69CAD9866C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Plus Ken Arnold was originally part of the Ingres group, which > famously had the only ArpaNet connection on campus at the time (Ing70 > - which I have forgotten what it's one letter 'Berk-Net' id was -- > Mary Ann might remember - /i.e/. all external email was shipped across > the Berknet to Ing70 for processing). Actually, I don't recall Ken actually working on Ingres, although it's not impossible — he certainly did work at Britton Lee, which was an Ingres spin-off. But lots of people in the department had access to our machine, almost certainly including Ken. But resources were limited and the entire department had to compete for the two terminal lines available at the time, which is why I wrote delivermail (later sendmail) in the first place. The "one letter berk-net id" of ing70 was "i". At the time of the ARPAnet it was running a rather customized V6 that (if I recall correctly) we got from Greg Chesson. It was connected via a VDH (Very Distant Host) interface to the IMP at LBL — essentially a six-foot-high 9600 baud modem.  ingvax was "j", but the ARPAnet code never ran on that hardware. eric --------------FFD7A8B54DF9C69CAD9866C9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Plus Ken Arnold was originally part of the Ingres group, which famously had the only ArpaNet connection on campus at the time (Ing70 - which I have forgotten what it's one letter 'Berk-Net' id was -- Mary Ann might remember - i.e. all external email was shipped across the Berknet to Ing70 for processing).

Actually, I don't recall Ken actually working on Ingres, although it's not impossible — he certainly did work at Britton Lee, which was an Ingres spin-off. But lots of people in the department had access to our machine, almost certainly including Ken. But resources were limited and the entire department had to compete for the two terminal lines available at the time, which is why I wrote delivermail (later sendmail) in the first place.

The "one letter berk-net id" of ing70 was "i". At the time of the ARPAnet it was running a rather customized V6 that (if I recall correctly) we got from Greg Chesson. It was connected via a VDH (Very Distant Host) interface to the IMP at LBL — essentially a six-foot-high 9600 baud modem.  ingvax was "j", but the ARPAnet code never ran on that hardware.

eric

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