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[72.197.247.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w6sm12668322pjy.15.2020.06.15.07.15.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Jun 2020 07:15:04 -0700 (PDT) To: Clem Cole , Lars Brinkhoff References: <20200614225208.GB6122@minnie.tuhs.org> <7wsgewophe.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> From: Mary Ann Horton Message-ID: <10160f8c-62a3-014b-43a1-65025f27cde5@mhorton.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 07:15:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------209CDB7AFCCE8307273EC933" Content-Language: en-US Subject: Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Origins and life of the pg pager X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Michael Siegel Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------209CDB7AFCCE8307273EC933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmm. Clem has a far richer recollection than I do. I don't recall Dan's version, but I defer to Clem. I do have a vague recollection of a program called cr3 intended to mimic the tty driver thing. Perhaps that was Dan's version. I note that my 4.1BSD manual more(1) says the author is "Eric Shienbrood, minor revisions by John Foderaro and Geoffrey Peck." On 6/15/20 6:56 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > > Wikipedia says "more" was written by Daniel Halbert and expanded > by EricShienbrood and Geoff Peck. > > I also believe that is partially true and Mary Ann is actually correct > in the provenance. > > I think Eric arrived later than Dan (maybe a year later), but was also > ex-MIT, and he too had used/seen --MORE-- on ITS as Dan had.  But I > was under the impression Eric started over. Then a few years after > Eric, Geoff worked with Eric's sources to add a few features. As for > starting over/hacking on the program from Dan's original code base, > it's hard to call that one, as  I recall that Dan's version was not > much more than a hack on to cat(1). i.e. the original version was > pretty simple, and I don't remember that it 'knew' about the type of > terminal being used, get info from TERMCAP /et al/. --------------209CDB7AFCCE8307273EC933 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hmm. Clem has a far richer recollection than I do. I don't recall Dan's version, but I defer to Clem.

I do have a vague recollection of a program called cr3 intended to mimic the tty driver thing. Perhaps that was Dan's version.

I note that my 4.1BSD manual more(1) says the author is "Eric Shienbrood, minor revisions by John Foderaro and Geoffrey Peck."

On 6/15/20 6:56 AM, Clem Cole wrote:
Wikipedia says "more" was written by Daniel Halbert and expanded by Eric Shienbrood and Geoff Peck.
I also believe that is partially true and Mary Ann is actually correct in the provenance.

I think Eric arrived later than Dan (maybe a year later), but was also ex-MIT, and he too had used/seen --MORE-- on ITS as Dan had.  But I was under the impression Eric started over.  Then a few years after Eric, Geoff worked with Eric's sources to add a few features.  As for starting over/hacking on the program from Dan's original code base, it's hard to call that one, as  I recall that Dan's version was not much more than a hack on to cat(1). i.e. the original version was pretty simple, and I don't remember that it 'knew' about the type of terminal being used, get info from TERMCAP et al.
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