[pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History

[pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History

[Fred N. van Kempen]

Paul,

> Bleh, sorry for the blank post... notes went schitzo.... 
*smile*

> If MS can release WinCE source, then they would probably do
> the same for XENIX.... both PDP/11 and the x86 version perhaps... 
> Its not like we want the source... just a tape image would do me :) 
> Perhaps there is someone in MS who knows of XENIX's existance and
> can help....  I'll have a word with a friend of mine who works
> there :) 
Yeah, I agree.  I personally think MS would release Xenix, as it no
longer has any commercial value whatsoever to them.  The hardest part
might be finding people within who know about it, and who can point
us in the right (legalese) direction.  Once MS signs off on it, the
people at SC(O)aldera won't have a problem with releasing the tapes.

Cheers,
	Fred


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[pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History

[quapla]

Ummmm, they can't. Windows XP most likely uses pieces of Xenix to get
it stable. And you know that they will not release sources of the 
windoze O.S-es :=)

Ed


> Paul,
> 
>> Bleh, sorry for the blank post... notes went schitzo.... 
> *smile*
> 
>> If MS can release WinCE source, then they would probably do
>> the same for XENIX.... both PDP/11 and the x86 version perhaps...  Its
>> not like we want the source... just a tape image would do me :) 
>> Perhaps there is someone in MS who knows of XENIX's existance and can
>> help....  I'll have a word with a friend of mine who works
>> there :) 
> Yeah, I agree.  I personally think MS would release Xenix, as it no
> longer has any commercial value whatsoever to them.  The hardest part
> might be finding people within who know about it, and who can point us
> in the right (legalese) direction.  Once MS signs off on it, the people
> at SC(O)aldera won't have a problem with releasing the tapes.
> 
> Cheers,
> 	Fred
> 
> 
>            InterNetworking en Network Security Consultant
>   MicroWalt Corporation (Netherlands), Korte Heul 95, 1403 ND BUSSUM
>  Phone +31 (35) 6980059 FAX +31 (35) 6980215  http://WWW.MicroWalt.NL/
> 
> Dit  bericht  en  eventuele bijlagen is  uitsluitend  bestemd  voor  de
> geadresseerde.  Openbaarmaking,   vermenigvuldiging,  verspreiding  aan
> derden  is  niet  toegestaan.   Er   wordt   geen  verantwoordelijkheid
>  genomen  voor de juiste en  volledige  overbrenging van  de inhoud 
> van dit bericht, noch voor de tijdige ontvangst ervan.
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[pups] UNIX/RT

[Lars Buitinck]

I think I've found the influence of UNIX/RT on the world at large, and
the Open Sores^V^V^V^Vource community in particular.
from OpenBSD 3.0 /etc/magic:

0       leshort         0401            PDP-11 UNIX/RT ldp

(can anyone tell me what ldp means?)


ps.

Thus spake quapla at xs4all.nl:
> Ummmm, they can't. Windows XP most likely uses pieces of Xenix to get
> it stable. And you know that they will not release sources of the 
> windoze O.S-es :=)

stable?
are we talking about the same OS?

--
If I travelled to the end of the rainbow
As Dame Fortune did intend
Murphy would be there to tell me
The pot is at the other end

Lars

[pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History

[Michael Davidson]

Fred N. van Kempen wrote:

>Paul,
>
>>If MS can release WinCE source, then they would probably do
>>the same for XENIX.... both PDP/11 and the x86 version perhaps... 
>>Its not like we want the source... just a tape image would do me :) 
>>Perhaps there is someone in MS who knows of XENIX's existance and
>>can help....  I'll have a word with a friend of mine who works
>>there :) 
>>
>Yeah, I agree.  I personally think MS would release Xenix, as it no
>longer has any commercial value whatsoever to them.  The hardest part
>might be finding people within who know about it, and who can point
>us in the right (legalese) direction.  Once MS signs off on it, the
>people at SC(O)aldera won't have a problem with releasing the tapes.
>
Microsoft probably wouldn't have any problem releasing the PDP-11 version
of XENIX - it is, after all, really just a minor V7 variant with very 
little Microsoft
code in it.

The two problems you will have are:

- finding anyone at Microsoft who knows what PDP-11 XENIX is,  and 
understands that
  it has no commercial value.

- finding either a binary or source distribution of it


XENIX for the x86 family hasn't quite reached the status of "no 
commercial value" yet.
Caldera still ships XENIX compatibility with the OpenServer operating 
system,
customers still use it, and we still pay Microsoft royalties on every 
copy of OpenServer
that we ship for that very reason.