From: fair-tuhs@netbsd.org (Erik E. Fair)
Subject: [TUHS] BSD/v8 TCP/IP (was Shell control through external commands)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:48:29 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <10251.1473659309@cesium.clock.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfpUicqxu-x-3AFo-h+0X-Grfje-74Kd0Ht0J60Q-zBxhw@mail.gmail.com>
Two big debates I recall:
Datagram (packets) versus virtual circuits (telephone calls).
Berkeley (BSD) sockets versus Bell Labs (dmr) "streams" APIs.
https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/classes/fa01/cse221/papers/ritchie-stream-io-belllabs84.pdf
It is important to note that the STREAMS stuff that eventually was foisted on
unfortunates from USG in System V was - despite being derived from Ritchie's
work - yet another ... thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STREAMS
dmr was trying to replace the abomination that the tty drivers had become (and
I still wish we'd adopted his APIs and work for that purpose to this day),
but trying to force everything into a connection-oriented framework for a
datagram/packet network has conceptual limitations, and to AT&T's chagrin,
the Internet is not an X.25 or Datakit network.
Plan 9 also had some interesting work in it that I wish we'd adopted.
Erik Fair
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-12 5:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-09-12 1:31 [TUHS] Shell control through external commands Norman Wilson
2016-09-12 4:44 ` [TUHS] BSD/v8 TCP/IP (was Shell control through external commands) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-09-12 5:24 ` Warner Losh
2016-09-12 5:38 ` Cory Smelosky
2016-09-12 5:48 ` Erik E. Fair [this message]
2016-09-12 9:22 ` Joerg Schilling
2016-09-12 10:25 ` Brantley Coile
2016-09-12 11:00 ` Joerg Schilling
2016-09-12 11:16 ` Brantley Coile
2016-09-12 11:42 ` Brantley Coile
2016-09-12 11:42 ` Joerg Schilling
2016-09-12 7:20 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2016-09-12 18:32 ` Clem Cole
2016-09-13 10:52 ` Tony Finch
2016-09-13 12:54 ` Clem Cole
2016-09-12 9:33 ` [TUHS] Shell control through external commands Joerg Schilling
2016-09-12 12:56 [TUHS] BSD/v8 TCP/IP (was Shell control through external commands) Norman Wilson
2016-09-12 15:27 ` Joerg Schilling
2016-09-12 15:41 Norman Wilson
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