From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23528 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2021 02:45:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Apr 2021 02:45:04 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C864C9CA6F; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:45:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF489C723; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:44:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1A00B9C723; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:44:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.kaybuena.com (rrcs-71-42-153-194.sw.biz.rr.com [71.42.153.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFA3A9C722 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:44:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from [192.168.147.190] (4dot2 [71.42.153.195]) by mail.kaybuena.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 1372ig7w3303720; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 21:44:42 -0500 From: "Charles H. Sauer" Message-Id: <10F81A21-AC7A-4644-A988-8E35F9216FEB@technologists.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5B08EB4F-212F-46AF-9E51-F25AE1EF5809" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 21:44:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Ed Bradford References: <04e60d98-22e3-acb5-686f-93af1f7e2825@technologists.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (mail.kaybuena.com [71.42.153.194]); Tue, 06 Apr 2021 21:44:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix (had been How to Kill a Technical Conference X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_5B08EB4F-212F-46AF-9E51-F25AE1EF5809 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Not sure when started, probably 1986, continued through my departure in = May 1989, and apparently the machine continued after that. > On Apr 6, 2021, at 9:30 PM, Ed Bradford wrote: >=20 > What year was this, Charles? >=20 > Ed >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM Charles H Sauer = > wrote: > For much of my last few years at IBM, my uucp machine, ibmchs, was an = AT=20 > running Xenix, probably that version of Xenix. >=20 > On 4/6/2021 12:09 PM, Clem Cole wrote: > > Doug -- IIRC IBM private-labeled a Microsoft put out a version of = Xenix,=20 > > although I think it required an PC/AT (286) > > =E1=90=A7 > >=20 > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:36 AM M Douglas McIlroy=20 > > =20 > > >> wrote: > >=20 > > > I wonder. IBM introduced the IBM PC in August of 1981. > > > That was years after a non-memory managed version of > > > Unix was created by Heinze Lycklama, LSX. Is anyone > > > on this list familiar with Bell Labs management thoughts > > > on selling IBM on LSX rather than "dos"? > >=20 > > IBM famously failed to buy the well-established CP/M in > > 1980. (CP/M had been introduced in 1974, before the > > advent of the LSI-11 on which LSX ran.) By then IBM had > > settled on Basic and Intel. I do not believe they ever > > considered Unix and DEC, nor that AT&T considered > > selling to IBM. (AT&T had--fortunately--long since been > > rebuffed in an attempt to sell to DEC.) > >=20 > > Doug > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com = > fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ > Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter = : = CharlesHSauer >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Advice is judged by results, not by intentions. > Cicero >=20 -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com = =20 fax: +1.512.346.5240 web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ = Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter: CharlesHSauer --Apple-Mail=_5B08EB4F-212F-46AF-9E51-F25AE1EF5809 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Not = sure when started, probably 1986, continued through my departure in May = 1989, and apparently the machine continued after that.

On Apr 6, 2021, at 9:30 PM, Ed Bradford <egbegb2@gmail.com> = wrote:

What year was this, = Charles?

Ed


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM Charles = H Sauer <sauer@technologists.com> wrote:
For much of my last few years at IBM, = my uucp machine, ibmchs, was an AT
running Xenix, probably that version of Xenix.

On 4/6/2021 12:09 PM, Clem Cole wrote:
> Doug -- IIRC IBM private-labeled a Microsoft put out a version of = Xenix,
> although I think it required an PC/AT (286)
> =E1=90=A7
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:36 AM M Douglas McIlroy
> <m.douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu
> <mailto:m.douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>> = wrote:
>
>      > I wonder. IBM introduced the IBM PC in = August of 1981.
>      > That was years after a non-memory managed = version of
>      > Unix was created by Heinze Lycklama,  = LSX. Is anyone
>      > on this list familiar with Bell Labs = management thoughts
>      > on  selling IBM on LSX rather than = "dos"?
>
>     IBM famously failed to buy the well-established = CP/M in
>     1980. (CP/M had been introduced in 1974, before = the
>     advent of the LSI-11 on which LSX ran.) By then = IBM had
>     settled on Basic and Intel.  I do not = believe they ever
>     considered Unix and DEC, nor that AT&T = considered
>     selling to IBM. (AT&T had--fortunately--long = since been
>     rebuffed in an attempt to sell to DEC.)
>
>     Doug
>

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