From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7b46d939 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C04CE9C0C4; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 04:17:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB609BD74; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 04:16:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 00A839BD74; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 04:16:36 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 368 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 04:16:35 AEST Received: from mail1.g21.pair.com (mail1.g21.pair.com [216.146.195.69]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D44E49B5BB for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 04:16:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail1.g21.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.g21.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C365F19A6; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:10:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.86] (76-231-26-130.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.231.26.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.g21.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1BC71F19A4; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 13:10:27 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7CDB9777-E9D2-4517-8C02-E000B94F7400" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Paul McJones In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:10:26 -0800 Message-Id: <116B676F-5917-481A-9634-0E6C5F702B9B@mcjones.org> References: To: Paul Winalski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday Morris worm X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_7CDB9777-E9D2-4517-8C02-E000B94F7400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Another possible source of inspiration =E2=80=94 including the name = =E2=80=9Cworm=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 were the publications by John Shoch and = Jon Hupp on programs they wrote at Xerox PARC around 1979-1980 and = published in 1980 and 1982: John F. Shoch and Jon Hupp: The =E2=80=9CWorm" Programs =E2=80=94 Early Experience with a = Distributed Computation. Xerox SSL-80-3 and IEN 159. May 1980, revised September 1980 http://www.postel.org/ien/pdf/ien159.pdf John F. Shoch and Jon Hupp: The =E2=80=9CWorm" Programs =E2=80=94 Early Experience with a = Distributed Computation. CACM V25 N3 (March 1982) http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~margo/cs261/background/shoch.pdf > On Nov 3, 2019, Paul Winalski wrote: >=20 > On 11/2/19, Warner Losh > = wrote: >>=20 >> the notion of a self propagating thing >> was quite novel (even if it had been theoretically discussed in many = places >> prior to the worm, and even though others had proven it via slower = moving >> vectors of BBS). >=20 > Novel to the Internet community, perhaps, but an idea that dates back > to the 1960s in IBM mainframe circles. Self-submitting OS/360 JCL > jobs, which eventually caused a crash by filling the queue files with > jobs, were well-known in the raised-floor world. >=20 >> In hindsight people like to point at it and what a terrible thing it = was, >> but Robert just got there first. >=20 > Again, first on the Internet. Back in 1980 I accidentally took down > DEC's internal engineering network (about 100 nodes, mostly VAX/VMS, > at the time) with a worm. ... >=20 > Robert Morris worked as an intern one summer in DEC's compiler group. > The Fortran project leader told Morris about my 1980 worm incident. > So he certainly had heard of the concept before he fashioned his > UNIX/Internet-based worm a few years later. >=20 > -Paul W. --Apple-Mail=_7CDB9777-E9D2-4517-8C02-E000B94F7400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Another possible source of inspiration =E2=80=94 including = the name =E2=80=9Cworm=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 were the publications by John = Shoch and Jon Hupp on programs they wrote at Xerox PARC around 1979-1980 = and published in 1980 and 1982:

John F. Shoch and Jon Hupp:
 The = =E2=80=9CWorm" Programs =E2=80=94 Early Experience with a = Distributed Computation.
Xerox SSL-80-3 and IEN = 159. May 1980, revised September 1980
http://www.postel.org/ien/pdf/ien159.pdf

John = F. Shoch and Jon Hupp:
 The =E2=80=9CWorm" = Programs =E2=80=94 Early Experience with a Distributed = Computation.
CACM V25 N3 (March 1982)
http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~margo/cs261/background/shoch.pdf

On Nov 3, 2019, Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com> = wrote:

On 11/2/19, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> = wrote:

the notion of a self propagating thing
was = quite novel (even if it had been theoretically discussed in many = places
prior to the worm, and even though others had = proven it via slower moving
vectors of BBS).

Novel to the Internet community, perhaps, but an idea that = dates back
to the 1960s = in IBM mainframe circles.  Self-submitting OS/360 JCL
jobs, which = eventually caused a crash by filling the queue files with
jobs, were = well-known in the raised-floor world.

In hindsight people like to point at = it and what a terrible thing it was,
but Robert just got = there first.

Again, first on the Internet.  Back in 1980 I = accidentally took down
DEC's internal engineering network (about 100 nodes, mostly = VAX/VMS,
at the time) = with a worm.  ...

Robert Morris worked as an intern one summer in DEC's = compiler group.
The Fortran project leader told Morris about my 1980 worm = incident.
So he = certainly had heard of the concept before he fashioned his
UNIX/Internet-based worm a few years later.

-Paul = W.

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