2.11BSD

2.11BSD

[Daniel A. Seagraves]

I am now dangerously close to getting 2.11BSD on my 11/44. ^_^
I got a SCSI disk controller (Viking UDT) and TS11 tapes, and 16 ports of
DZ11s  (Anyone got jumper/DIP switch info on these?), but my problem is
lack of a boot tape.

Anyway, since I have other machines around which can grok SCSI disks, I tried
making an RP06 image on Supnik's emulator, installing the rauboot instead of
hkuboot, but it failed.  The PDP-11 read the bootstrap in OK and the bootstrap
was running but it was looping (I forgot the address).

Has anyone done this before?  I would use a SCSI tape to boot from but the
SCSI tape drive I have died.  (Roached literally - one of the little fsckers
got inside it and got fried.)

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>Anyway, since I have other machines around which can grok SCSI disks, I tried
>making an RP06 image on Supnik's emulator, installing the rauboot instead of
>hkuboot, but it failed.

Are you sure it was a RP06 image?  hkuboot is the RK06/07 bootstrap.

How did you move the RP06 (or RK06) image to the physical SCSI drive?  You
were asking about doing it with RT-11 a few weeks ago, but you *do*
know that RT-11 won't conventionally access the 65536th (and
2*65536th, and 3*65536th...) blocks on a MSCP partition, don't you?  (There
is a way of accessing that last block, but you have to code it with
a .SPFUN call to the DU driver, and none of the distributed RT-11 utilities
work on that last block, even with the /DEVICE qualifier.)

Did the version of 2.11BSD you're working from have disklabel support in
the hk driver?  Disklabel support there was added recently (where "recent"
= 2 years ago).

>  The PDP-11 read the bootstrap in OK and the bootstrap
>was running but it was looping (I forgot the address).

Get us the address (HALT the 11/44, either with the front panel toggle
or control-P from the console) and we'll find out why it's looping.

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> I am now dangerously close to getting 2.11BSD on my 11/44. ^_^
> I got a SCSI disk controller (Viking UDT) and TS11 tapes, and 16 ports of
> DZ11s  (Anyone got jumper/DIP switch info on these?), but my problem is
> lack of a boot tape.

I have the DZ11 (M7814)  user's guide right here. 

1) Priority insert level 5 goes in E41.

2) E72 -- Address.
   Closed (on) is binary 1.

	A12 A11 A10  A9  A8  A7  A6  A5  A4  A3
       -----------------------------------------
       | 10| 9 | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
   on  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
       |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
  off  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
       -----------------------------------------

  Addressing examples:
	160000 -- A12 thru A3 OFF
	160010 -- A12 thru A4 OFF, A3 ON
	177770 -- A12 thru A3 ON
	(OFF=Logical 0, ON=Logical 1)

3) E81 -- Vector
   Closed (on) is a binary 0.

       -unused- V3  V4  V5  V6  V7  V8
       ---------------------------------    
       | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 |
   on  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
       |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
  off  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
       ---------------------------------

  Vectoring examples:
	Vector	V8   V7   V6   V5   V4   V3
	 300    ON   OFF  OFF  ON   ON   ON
	 310    ON   OFF  OFF  ON   ON   OFF
	 770    OFF  OFF  OFF  OFF  OFF  OFF
	(ON=Logical 0, OFF=Logical 1)

  Let me know if you need any more info.

> Anyway, since I have other machines around which can grok SCSI disks, I tried
> making an RP06 image on Supnik's emulator, installing the rauboot instead of
> hkuboot, but it failed.  The PDP-11 read the bootstrap in OK and the bootstrap
> was running but it was looping (I forgot the address).

Did you successfully build from a boot-tape image on the emulator, or did you copy
the RP06 image (such as on the PUPS archive) directly to the disk and tranfer
the physical drive to the PDP?  (And what method/command did you use?)

> Has anyone done this before?  I would use a SCSI tape to boot from but the
> SCSI tape drive I have died.  (Roached literally - one of the little fsckers
> got inside it and got fried.)

I do this regularly for my vaxen.   10 to 1 Steven Schultz has been this route
on the PDP-11's tho (Hi Steven :).

Lemme know if I can help more.

Regards,
		-skots
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Hmm.. I've got a manual for the Viking UDT, and I'll try to remember to 
bring it in on Monday. 

I don't know anything about how 2.11BSD boots. However, I had an
interesting
time trying to get 4.3BSD on my 750 to boot off this controller. It
turned out 
that the Viking's emulation of the UDA50 isn't *quite* accurate, and
that the 4.3 boot
code was using one of the edge-of-the-envelope features that the Viking
didn't quite 
emulate right. I modified the bootstrap slightly and got it going.
Whether this 
has anything to do with your problem, I don't know. (It was worth all
the effort 
in the end, to see the monster hulking 750 booting of a little dinky
plastic zip drive!)

James

"Daniel A. Seagraves" wrote:
> 
> I am now dangerously close to getting 2.11BSD on my 11/44. ^_^
> I got a SCSI disk controller (Viking UDT) and TS11 tapes, and 16 ports of
> DZ11s  (Anyone got jumper/DIP switch info on these?), but my problem is
> lack of a boot tape.
> 
> Anyway, since I have other machines around which can grok SCSI disks, I tried
> making an RP06 image on Supnik's emulator, installing the rauboot instead of
> hkuboot, but it failed.  The PDP-11 read the bootstrap in OK and the bootstrap
> was running but it was looping (I forgot the address).
> 
> Has anyone done this before?  I would use a SCSI tape to boot from but the
> SCSI tape drive I have died.  (Roached literally - one of the little fsckers
> got inside it and got fried.)
> 
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[Replied to Tim but not the list - oops!]

Method to transfer drive:  FTPd disk image to MicroVAX running NetBSD,
used cat.  Saved the RT11 image beforehand.  When BSD died I put RT11 back.
RT11 works.

Disk image was an RP06 constructed from a boot tape I made.  It used stuff
from the PUPS archive but wasn't the image from the archive.

I will get the loop address shortly - I have to get an extension cord back to
power the machine.
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2.11BSD

[Steven M. Schultz]

Hi -

> From: Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA at trailing-edge.com>
> Did the version of 2.11BSD you're working from have disklabel support in
> the hk driver?  Disklabel support there was added recently (where "recent"
> = 2 years ago).

	And even then the disklabel changes to the HK (rk06/7) driver have
	not been actually tested - the site that was going to do that had
	equipment failures and that combined with the lack of interest in
	or curiosity about PDP-11s resulted the the entire 11 collection being
	scrapped.

	So, I went and make the changes anyhow and they "should work" since
	adding disklabel support to a driver is mostly a boilerplate type of
	activity but there's always the chance that an error crept in.

	Disklabel support for the XP (rp03/4/5/6/7) driver is known to work
	well.

	Steven Schultz

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> From: pups at mrynet.com (PUPS mailing list)
> Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor     InterNet: staylor at mrynet.com

> Did you successfully build from a boot-tape image on the emulator, or did 
> you copy the RP06 image (such as on the PUPS archive) directly to the disk 
> and tranfer the physical drive to the PDP?  (And what method/command did 
> you use?)
> 
> > Has anyone done this before?  I would use a SCSI tape to boot from but the
> > SCSI tape drive I have died.  (Roached literally - one of the little fsckers
> 
> I do this regularly for my vaxen.   10 to 1 Steven Schultz has been this route
> on the PDP-11's tho (Hi Steven :).

	'fraid I haven't been _that_ route before.

	What I would do today, given the presence of a Qbus SCSI adaptor in the
	system, is either 

	   1) Use a cheesy old 4mm drive (I've a Sony SDT5000 that's too small
	      and/or slow today for the Intel system - upgrade it to an 8mm
	      drive), hook that up to the PC and blast the 2.11BSD boot kit
	      on it (using the instructions, etc provided in the PUPS archive).
	      Then move the 4mm drive over to the PDP-11 and boot the tape .

	    2) Get a SCSI Zip drive, hook it up to the "PC" and use one of the
	       emulators to create a ~96mb image of a system containing the
	       standalone utilities + dump of root fs + tar  files for usr.
	       Then march the Zip drive over to the PDP-11 and boot.   Instead
	       of specifying "tape file numbers" to the standalone programs
	       (as in "tms(0,1)") you would use "ra(1,0)disklabel" and so on.

	A Zip drive is _real nice_ to have on the 11/73 - the Zip is actually
	quite a bit faster than an RD53/RD54 and the media and drives are
	cheap for Zips (Internal SCSI zip drives and a 3.5" shoebox run perhaps
	$150 or so).   

	Steven Schultz

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[Given the presence of...]

Like I said, I tried #2 there, and failed.  But it is possible to do?
That's all I was really after.

Halt address coming in about 1/2 hour or an hour, depends on when they're
done with the cord.

Oh, and a Qbus SCSI card in this box would likely go FUMP!
This is an 11/44.

I plan on taking pictures sometime. ^_^

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> From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" <DSEAGRAV at toad.xkl.com>
> Like I said, I tried #2 there, and failed.  But it is possible to do?
> That's all I was really after.

	Oh, it _should_ work - so yes, it's possible if all the underlying
	pieces are in place.  

	Hmmm, rather than trying to use a pre-existing RP06 disk image 
	perhaps it would be better to get the tape images (should be
	in the pups archive) and use 'makesimtape' or whatever to create
	a bootable tape image for one of the emulators.  Going thru a 
	"cold install" to create a disk image should work.

	You do have floating point hardware in the 11/44, correct?

> Halt address coming in about 1/2 hour or an hour, depends on when they're
> done with the cord.
> 
> Oh, and a Qbus SCSI card in this box would likely go FUMP!
> This is an 11/44.

	Doh!   That's what comes from dashing off a mail item  in a rush
	to go off to lunch ;)

	Steven

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[Use an image built from an install tape...]

I did.

[Have floating point?]

Yup.  Floating point and I'm one memory board short of 2 meg of RAM.
(I'm at 19xx bytes, forgot the exact number.)

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It's looping around at 157702.

157702 contains 001776

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2.11BSD

[Erin W. Corliss]

I know you've all been on the edge of your seats waiting for this, but...

I finally got my PDP-11/73 working, using a wyse terminal instead of my PC
-- for some reason neither of the serial ports were sending on the PC (but
then again, I boughtthe motherboard in an alley in korea three years
ago)...  Anyway, it boots up with RSTS/E version 9, which is OK in it's
own little way, I guess, but I'd rather be running Unix on it.  

So where can I download the binaries for 2.11BSD?

	-- Erin Corliss


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>I know you've all been on the edge of your seats waiting for this, but...
>
>I finally got my PDP-11/73 working, using a wyse terminal instead of my PC
>-- for some reason neither of the serial ports were sending on the PC (but
>then again, I boughtthe motherboard in an alley in korea three years
>ago)...

There are at least two different standards for the ribbon-cable-to-D-sub
adapters, and of course it's guaranteed that you'll use the wront type :-).

>  Anyway, it boots up with RSTS/E version 9, which is OK in it's
> own little way, I guess, but I'd rather be running Unix on it.  
> So where can I download the binaries for 2.11BSD?

Easiest way is for you to tell us what sort of load media you can use and
have someone write an install tape for you.  Do you have a TK50 or other tape
drive on the system?

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In article by Greg Lehey:
> On Friday, 25 December 1998 at 23:09:48 -0800, Erin W. Corliss wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, Greg Lehey wrote:
> >> Do you have an Ancient UNIX license?  I don't see you in our list.
> >> You'll need one before we can give you a copy of the software.
> >
> > Nope.  I have a licensed copy of RSTS/E I could trade, though...  8^)  No,
> > actually, I think I found another source for it, but thanks for the
> > concern.
> 
> PUPS is very glad to have been able to have created the possibility of
> legally using these old versions of UNIX.  Please don't make things
> difficult by abusing somebody's cooperation.  You can get it legally;
> see http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/getlicense.html for more details.
> 
> Greg

What Greg says is true: we can't give you access to any UNIX source
code unless you have a UNIX source license from SCO. However....
I should ask Dion at SCO if we could distribute binary-only distributions
of 2.x BSD without a license. After all, freely distributable binary-only
distributions for v5, v6, v7 and Venix (System III-ish) exist.

Just a thought, but for now you do need a source license.

Cheers,
	Warren