From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com (Daniel A. Seagraves) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:54:53 -0800 Subject: 2.11BSD Message-ID: <13502970974.14.DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com> I am now dangerously close to getting 2.11BSD on my 11/44. ^_^ I got a SCSI disk controller (Viking UDT) and TS11 tapes, and 16 ports of DZ11s (Anyone got jumper/DIP switch info on these?), but my problem is lack of a boot tape. Anyway, since I have other machines around which can grok SCSI disks, I tried making an RP06 image on Supnik's emulator, installing the rauboot instead of hkuboot, but it failed. The PDP-11 read the bootstrap in OK and the bootstrap was running but it was looping (I forgot the address). Has anyone done this before? I would use a SCSI tape to boot from but the SCSI tape drive I have died. (Roached literally - one of the little fsckers got inside it and got fried.) ------- Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA39579 for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 06:14:13 +1100 (EST) Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (timaxp.trailing-edge.com [63.73.218.130]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA39566 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 06:14:03 +1100 (EST) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:13:59 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:13:59 -0500 From: Tim Shoppa To: PUPS at MINNIE.CS.ADFA.OZ.AU Message-Id: <991127141359.20a000ba at trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: 2.11BSD Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >Anyway, since I have other machines around which can grok SCSI disks, I tried >making an RP06 image on Supnik's emulator, installing the rauboot instead of >hkuboot, but it failed. Are you sure it was a RP06 image? hkuboot is the RK06/07 bootstrap. How did you move the RP06 (or RK06) image to the physical SCSI drive? You were asking about doing it with RT-11 a few weeks ago, but you *do* know that RT-11 won't conventionally access the 65536th (and 2*65536th, and 3*65536th...) blocks on a MSCP partition, don't you? (There is a way of accessing that last block, but you have to code it with a .SPFUN call to the DU driver, and none of the distributed RT-11 utilities work on that last block, even with the /DEVICE qualifier.) Did the version of 2.11BSD you're working from have disklabel support in the hk driver? Disklabel support there was added recently (where "recent" = 2 years ago). > The PDP-11 read the bootstrap in OK and the bootstrap >was running but it was looping (I forgot the address). Get us the address (HALT the 11/44, either with the front panel toggle or control-P from the console) and we'll find out why it's looping. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa at trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA39623 for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 06:21:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from mrynet.com (root at mrynet.com [24.234.53.177]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA39619 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 06:20:53 +1100 (EST) Received: (from pups at localhost) by mrynet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02916; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:20:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pups) Posted-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:20:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911271920.LAA02916 at mrynet.com> From: pups@mrynet.com (PUPS mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:20:43 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(3) 11/17/96) To: "Daniel A. Seagraves" Subject: Re: 2.11BSD Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > I am now dangerously close to getting 2.11BSD on my 11/44. ^_^ > I got a SCSI disk controller (Viking UDT) and TS11 tapes, and 16 ports of > DZ11s (Anyone got jumper/DIP switch info on these?), but my problem is > lack of a boot tape. I have the DZ11 (M7814) user's guide right here. 1) Priority insert level 5 goes in E41. 2) E72 -- Address. Closed (on) is binary 1. A12 A11 A10 A9 A8 A7 A6 A5 A4 A3 ----------------------------------------- | 10| 9 | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | on | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | off | | | | | | | | | | | ----------------------------------------- Addressing examples: 160000 -- A12 thru A3 OFF 160010 -- A12 thru A4 OFF, A3 ON 177770 -- A12 thru A3 ON (OFF=Logical 0, ON=Logical 1) 3) E81 -- Vector Closed (on) is a binary 0. -unused- V3 V4 V5 V6 V7 V8 --------------------------------- | 8 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | on | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | off | | | | | | | | | --------------------------------- Vectoring examples: Vector V8 V7 V6 V5 V4 V3 300 ON OFF OFF ON ON ON 310 ON OFF OFF ON ON OFF 770 OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF OFF (ON=Logical 0, OFF=Logical 1) Let me know if you need any more info. > Anyway, since I have other machines around which can grok SCSI disks, I tried > making an RP06 image on Supnik's emulator, installing the rauboot instead of > hkuboot, but it failed. The PDP-11 read the bootstrap in OK and the bootstrap > was running but it was looping (I forgot the address). Did you successfully build from a boot-tape image on the emulator, or did you copy the RP06 image (such as on the PUPS archive) directly to the disk and tranfer the physical drive to the PDP? (And what method/command did you use?) > Has anyone done this before? I would use a SCSI tape to boot from but the > SCSI tape drive I have died. (Roached literally - one of the little fsckers > got inside it and got fried.) I do this regularly for my vaxen. 10 to 1 Steven Schultz has been this route on the PDP-11's tho (Hi Steven :). Lemme know if I can help more. Regards, -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor at mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor at mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA39662 for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 06:26:23 +1100 (EST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA39658 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 06:26:13 +1100 (EST) Received: from simul8.demon.co.uk ([212.228.120.103]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11rnTr-000J6P-0K; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 19:26:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3840305B.59044771 at simul8.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 19:26:19 +0000 From: James Lothian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel A. Seagraves" CC: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: 2.11BSD References: <13502970974.14.DSEAGRAV at toad.xkl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hmm.. I've got a manual for the Viking UDT, and I'll try to remember to bring it in on Monday. I don't know anything about how 2.11BSD boots. However, I had an interesting time trying to get 4.3BSD on my 750 to boot off this controller. It turned out that the Viking's emulation of the UDA50 isn't *quite* accurate, and that the 4.3 boot code was using one of the edge-of-the-envelope features that the Viking didn't quite emulate right. I modified the bootstrap slightly and got it going. Whether this has anything to do with your problem, I don't know. (It was worth all the effort in the end, to see the monster hulking 750 booting of a little dinky plastic zip drive!) James "Daniel A. Seagraves" wrote: > > I am now dangerously close to getting 2.11BSD on my 11/44. ^_^ > I got a SCSI disk controller (Viking UDT) and TS11 tapes, and 16 ports of > DZ11s (Anyone got jumper/DIP switch info on these?), but my problem is > lack of a boot tape. > > Anyway, since I have other machines around which can grok SCSI disks, I tried > making an RP06 image on Supnik's emulator, installing the rauboot instead of > hkuboot, but it failed. The PDP-11 read the bootstrap in OK and the bootstrap > was running but it was looping (I forgot the address). > > Has anyone done this before? I would use a SCSI tape to boot from but the > SCSI tape drive I have died. (Roached literally - one of the little fsckers > got inside it and got fried.) > > ------- Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA39726 for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 06:29:51 +1100 (EST) Received: from toad.xkl.com (toad.xkl.com [192.94.202.40]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA39714 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 06:29:40 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:28:56 -0800 From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" Subject: Re: 2.11BSD To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Message-ID: <13502988095.14.DSEAGRAV at toad.xkl.com> Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk [Replied to Tim but not the list - oops!] Method to transfer drive: FTPd disk image to MicroVAX running NetBSD, used cat. Saved the RT11 image beforehand. When BSD died I put RT11 back. RT11 works. Disk image was an RP06 constructed from a boot tape I made. It used stuff from the PUPS archive but wasn't the image from the archive. I will get the loop address shortly - I have to get an extension cord back to power the machine. -------