From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: wes.parish@paradise.net.nz (Wesley Parish) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 21:27:21 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: [TUHS] SunOS vs Linux In-Reply-To: <20170109063225.7imw2tuiomsekvtn@ancienthardware.org> References: <1483898537.3109544.841035897.5E751FC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <61DAEC90-BE06-41FF-9B2B-D401CC8FC9F9@ccc.com> <20170109030022.GE66746@eureka.lemis.com> <20170109063225.7imw2tuiomsekvtn@ancienthardware.org> Message-ID: <1483950441.58734969d08cd@www.paradise.net.nz> I can second that. At the time I was asking about an OS suitable for my brand-new 486 while I was at the U of Canterbury NZ, I was told I'd need to get an AT&T license for BSD, and those cost a king's ransom. Does anybody have copies of the kind of legal guff AT&T put these universities through? It would make interesting reading. Wesley Parish Quoting Arno Griffioen : > On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 02:00:22PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > > load it. Which is sort of funny because it was not particularly > > > secret between most BSD users. > > > > Given that the first person he mentions in the article is Bruce > Evans, > > it's difficult to understand how he hadn't heard of it. > > Have to keep in mind that Linus was at the time of course a student in > Finland, so outside the USA. > > Outside the USA such BSD (or other *IX) source-code access on > universities > and technical schools was not common is my personal experience. > > At that time I was a student too and apart from MINIX there really was > little to no *IX source access available to anyone (BSD or otherwise) > unless > for very specific research applications and needing to sign all sorts of > NDA > stuff. > > Buying a BSD license was way outside a student's budget at that time > and universities were not very forthcoming in giving them access. > > As a result MINIX was actually making quite a few strides to get more > complex, but Andrew Tanenbaum always actively resisted turning it into a > > 'production' system as he wanted to retain it as an educational tool > (and the license agreement was quite limited to this purpose) pushing a > > lot of european hackers towards this initially very rudimentary minix > userland-compatible new little kernel made by some finnish dude ;) > > Quite a few strong discussions between Linus and Andrew at the time > on Usenet in comp.os.minix about the monolithic vs. microkernel > ideas. > > Bye, Arno. > "I have supposed that he who buys a Method means to learn it." - Ferdinand Sor, Method for Guitar "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." -- Samuel Goldwyn