[TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is

[TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is

[Norman Wilson]

Doug McIlroy:

  Do any of these possibilities ring a bell?

====

More to the point, do any shed light on the matter?

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

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[Kevin Schoedel]

At 12:50 ?pm -0400 2017/07/31, Paul Winalski wrote:
>The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
>you may have something there regarding it turning on a light.  We'd
>need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
>sure.

A bit of Googling suggests that the Herbert H. Warrick Jr. Museum of
Communications in Seattle has at least one of these recently in operating
condition. <http://www.museumofcommunications.org/unix/>

-- 
Kevin Schoedel <schoedel at kw.igs.net> VA3TCS

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[Earl Baugh]

I'll take any sound vs. the "visual bell" flash that I had on the first
terminal I used to learn VI on.
Had I had epilepsy like my sister, I'd have never survived :-)

Earl

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM, ron minnich <rminnich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ah, on the vt52, that "bell" was called the "feep". It sure was not a
>> bell.,
>>
>> The vt52 was a real money saving device. From what we could tell, the
>> printed circuit board on it was cardboard.
>>
>
> On the VT52 terminals I used, the bell seemed to come in two flavors. One
> was a very iconic "gear grinding" sound where there was a small motor that
> spun a toothed wheel that ran over a slender finger of plastic. A few,
> maybe retrofitted, had what sounded like a random 555 noise that was gated
> on/off.
>
> Warner
>
>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:51 AM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett <alec.muffett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Dumb question: is there any chance that just as BEL goes <beep>,
>>> perhaps
>>> > LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
>>>
>>> BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype.  On the DEC VT52, it
>>> sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry.  On
>>> the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
>>> sound.
>>>
>>> The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
>>> you may have something there regarding it turning on a light.  We'd
>>> need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
>>> sure.
>>>
>>> -Paul W.
>>>
>>
>
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[Warner Losh]

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM, ron minnich <rminnich at gmail.com> wrote:

> ah, on the vt52, that "bell" was called the "feep". It sure was not a
> bell.,
>
> The vt52 was a real money saving device. From what we could tell, the
> printed circuit board on it was cardboard.
>

On the VT52 terminals I used, the bell seemed to come in two flavors. One
was a very iconic "gear grinding" sound where there was a small motor that
spun a toothed wheel that ran over a slender finger of plastic. A few,
maybe retrofitted, had what sounded like a random 555 noise that was gated
on/off.

Warner


> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:51 AM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett <alec.muffett at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dumb question: is there any chance that just as BEL goes <beep>, perhaps
>> > LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
>>
>> BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype.  On the DEC VT52, it
>> sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry.  On
>> the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
>> sound.
>>
>> The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
>> you may have something there regarding it turning on a light.  We'd
>> need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
>> sure.
>>
>> -Paul W.
>>
>
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[Warner Losh]

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM, ron minnich <rminnich at gmail.com> wrote:

> ah, on the vt52, that "bell" was called the "feep". It sure was not a
> bell.,
>
> The vt52 was a real money saving device. From what we could tell, the
> printed circuit board on it was cardboard.
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:51 AM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett <alec.muffett at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dumb question: is there any chance that just as BEL goes <beep>, perhaps
>> > LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
>>
>> BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype.  On the DEC VT52, it
>> sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry.  On
>> the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
>> sound.
>>
>> The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
>> you may have something there regarding it turning on a light.  We'd
>> need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
>> sure.
>>
>> -Paul W.
>>
>
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[ron minnich]

ah, on the vt52, that "bell" was called the "feep". It sure was not a bell.,

The vt52 was a real money saving device. From what we could tell, the
printed circuit board on it was cardboard.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:51 AM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett <alec.muffett at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dumb question: is there any chance that just as BEL goes <beep>, perhaps
> > LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?
>
> BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype.  On the DEC VT52, it
> sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry.  On
> the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
> sound.
>
> The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
> you may have something there regarding it turning on a light.  We'd
> need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
> sure.
>
> -Paul W.
>
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[Paul Winalski]

On 7/30/17, Alec Muffett <alec.muffett at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dumb question: is there any chance that just as BEL goes <beep>, perhaps
> LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?

BEL *did* ring a bell on the model 33 Teletype.  On the DEC VT52, it
sounded a buzzer that was sort of like an electronic raspberry.  On
the VT100, LA36, and other later terminals, it was the familiar feep
sound.

The character we're discussing here was named LANTERN, not LAMP, but
you may have something there regarding it turning on a light.  We'd
need to find an AT&T 4410 terminal, or someone who's used one, to be
sure.

-Paul W.

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[Lyndon Nerenberg]

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 4:14 AM, Doug McIlroy <doug at cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> 
> I have no actual information about the lantern character, but
> a tapered "storm lantern" would be far down my list of guesses.
> The tapered chmney would much more likely be called a "lamp",
> for it's a standard shape for the oil (kerosene) lamps 
> that everyone had before electricity.

It's a long shot, but might it be related to APL's 'lamp' operator?  (U+235D)

[TUHS] Anyone know what a LANTERN is

[Alec Muffett]

Dumb question: is there any chance that just as BEL goes <beep>, perhaps
LAMP illuminated a red warning light or similar?


On 30 Jul 2017 12:14 pm, "Doug McIlroy" <doug at cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> I have no actual information about the lantern character, but
> a tapered "storm lantern" would be far down my list of guesses.
> The tapered chmney would much more likely be called a "lamp",
> for it's a standard shape for the oil (kerosene) lamps
> that everyone had before electricity.
>
> My top guess would be a carriage lantern with a Japanese
> garden ornament as a distant second. The carriage lantern
> would be an unfilled circle superimposed on a vertical
> rectangle, filled or unfilled. The rectangle might be
> simplified to two (interrupted) vertical sides.
>
> An alternate form of lantern would be a side view of
> a carriage (or picture-projection) lantern, schematized
> as a box, with a flaring projection to the right--an
> icon for shining light on a subject, also interpretable
> as a movie camera.
>
> A Japanese lantern would be tripartite: cap, body, and
> feet.
>
> Do any of these possibilities ring a bell?
>
> Doug
>
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[Doug McIlroy]

I have no actual information about the lantern character, but
a tapered "storm lantern" would be far down my list of guesses.
The tapered chmney would much more likely be called a "lamp",
for it's a standard shape for the oil (kerosene) lamps 
that everyone had before electricity.

My top guess would be a carriage lantern with a Japanese
garden ornament as a distant second. The carriage lantern
would be an unfilled circle superimposed on a vertical
rectangle, filled or unfilled. The rectangle might be
simplified to two (interrupted) vertical sides.

An alternate form of lantern would be a side view of
a carriage (or picture-projection) lantern, schematized
as a box, with a flaring projection to the right--an
icon for shining light on a subject, also interpretable
as a movie camera.

A Japanese lantern would be tripartite: cap, body, and
feet. 

Do any of these possibilities ring a bell?

Doug