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From: norman@oclsc.org (Norman Wilson)
Subject: [TUHS] UNIX of choice these days?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 11:17:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1506784652.28254.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> (raw)

Warner Losh:

  It's an abundance of caution thing. This code had security problems in the
  past, we're not 100% sure that we've killed all the issues, though we
  believe we have.

====

And if there isn't anyone who's actively interested in the
code, willing to dig in to clean it up and make security
issues less likely, deal with multiprocessing matters, and
so on, that's a perfectly reasonable stance.

I think it's an unfortunate result, and I wonder how much
of it comes from a cultural view that sysctl >> /proc.
(Recall how Ken and Dennis originally resisted Doug's push
for pipelines and filters, because--as Dennis once put it
in a talk--it just wasn't the way programs worked?)

But as someone who is sometimes credited with removing
more code than he wrote while working on the latter-day
Research kernel, it's hard for me to argue with the principle.
A lot of the code I tossed out was complicated stuff that
was barely used if used at all, and that nobody was willing
to step up to volunteer to maintain.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON


             reply	other threads:[~2017-09-30 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-30 15:17 Norman Wilson [this message]
2017-09-30 20:29 ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-30 21:56   ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-30 22:37     ` Kevin Bowling
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-09-25 12:46 [TUHS] Unix " Doug McIlroy
2017-09-25 13:57 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-25 12:07 [TUHS] UNIX " Norman Wilson
2017-09-25 14:16 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-25 15:13   ` Warner Losh
2017-09-25 16:51     ` Warner Losh
2017-09-26  0:56       ` ron minnich
2017-09-25 15:18   ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-25 15:30     ` Warner Losh
2017-09-25 23:49     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-26  2:06       ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-26 14:53         ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-26 15:17           ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-26 21:23           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-26 21:43             ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-26 21:45             ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-27  0:58               ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-27  1:37                 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-27  2:02                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-27 13:50                     ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-27 14:17                       ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28  8:10                         ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-28 12:34                           ` Chet Ramey
     [not found]                             ` <20170928174420.GA41732@accordion.employees.org>
2017-09-28 17:57                               ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-28 18:04                                 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-27  3:42                   ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-27 14:35                     ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-23 23:39 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2017-09-21  2:28 Rudi Blom
2017-09-20  0:12 Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20  0:26 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-20  0:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-20  1:03   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-20 20:56     ` jason-tuhs
2017-09-23  9:17   ` Dario Niedermann
2017-09-23  9:36     ` Steve Mynott
2017-09-23 10:03       ` Dario Niedermann
2017-09-23 23:04         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-24  0:11           ` Random832
2017-09-24  1:19             ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-24 13:46       ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-24 14:02         ` ron minnich
2017-09-24 14:06           ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-24 20:36             ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-24 21:38               ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-24 23:36                 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-24 23:50                   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-25  0:03                     ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-25 15:36                       ` Tony Finch
2017-09-26  0:42                         ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-26  9:54                           ` Tony Finch
2017-09-26 14:41                           ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-26 17:34                             ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-26 17:39                               ` Warner Losh
2017-09-26 18:26                                 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-26 17:43                               ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-26 19:44                                 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-26 23:22                             ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-25  0:51                     ` Charles Anthony
2017-09-25  0:36                   ` Dan Cross
2017-09-25  0:44                     ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-25  0:56                   ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-25 15:45                     ` Tony Finch
2017-09-25 16:14                       ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-25  7:41                   ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-25  7:43                     ` Cory Smelosky
2017-09-25 10:14                       ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-25  9:58                     ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-25 11:14                       ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-25 11:48                       ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-09-24 15:26           ` Christian Barthel
2017-09-24 17:33             ` Clem Cole
2017-09-24 17:33           ` Clem Cole
2017-09-23 23:00     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-26 22:00     ` Christian Groessler
2017-09-20  4:42 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-20  8:31   ` Mutiny 
2017-09-20  9:15 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-20 16:58   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 17:05     ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-20 17:53     ` Henry Bent
2017-09-20 18:12       ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 18:33         ` Brad Spencer
2017-09-20 19:20           ` Henry Bent
2017-09-20 19:37           ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 19:58             ` Jacob Ritorto
2017-09-20 22:29               ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-20 22:31                 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-20 12:52 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-20 13:33 ` Nemo
2017-09-20 15:39 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-20 15:42 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-20 16:58   ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-20 17:09     ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-20 17:31     ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 22:40 ` Steve Simon
2017-09-20 22:51   ` Erik Berls
2017-09-20 23:37 ` Robert Brockway
2017-09-21  1:47 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-09-21  3:54 ` Gregg Levine
2017-09-21 14:33 ` Nicholas Chappell
2017-09-21 16:38   ` Mutiny 
2017-09-21 16:42     ` gilbertmm
2017-09-21 18:30     ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-21 23:34     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-25 10:36 ` Thomas Kellar

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