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From: random832@fastmail.com (Random832)
Subject: [TUHS] V7 Addendem [ really lawyers and AT&T consent decree ]
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 11:04:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1513094682.1327351.1202579448.2AE94EE8@webmail.messagingengine.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171211192328.AA20B18C08C@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017, at 14:23, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> If all people wanted was a rule saying 'ISPs can't give third parties
> _worse_ service, or - more importantly - deny service altogether,
> unless those parties pay up' (i.e. what would amount to targeted
> extortion), I'd be _all for_ a rule like that.
>
> But the 'net neutrality' aficionados (most of whom, I'm fairly sure,
> are not aware of/thinking about these details) are all signing up for
> a much more expansive rule, one that says 'no ISP can offer anyone
> _better_ service for paying more money' - which is quite different. My
> problems with this latter form are two-fold.

The rule that I want is that I am the customer. If Comcast wants to give
better service to my neighbor who is paying more, that's fine, but
that's not remotely the same thing as making it harder for me to connect
to Netflix than to their own streaming service because Netflix didn't
pay up. They're essentially taking money from me twice - once from
actually charging me for internet service, and once from the portion of
my Netflix (etc) subscription that goes to paying their extortion fees
(because let's not pretend that "fast lanes" won't go hand-in-hand with
degradation of the standard service). If they want more money from me
they should have to raise the actual price they bill me with instead of
being sneaky about it.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-12-12 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-11 19:23 Noel Chiappa
2017-12-11 19:36 ` [TUHS] net neutrality Larry McVoy
2017-12-11 19:48   ` Clem Cole
2017-12-12 16:04 ` Random832 [this message]
2017-12-12 16:52   ` [TUHS] [ really net neutrality - don't you folks believe in subject lines? ] Jon Steinhart
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-12-12 13:59 [TUHS] V7 Addendem [ really lawyers and AT&T consent decree ] Noel Chiappa
2017-12-12  2:04 Noel Chiappa
2017-12-12  2:17 ` George Michaelson
2017-12-12  1:28 Noel Chiappa
2017-12-12  1:42 ` George Michaelson
2017-12-06  0:33 [TUHS] V7 Addendem Warner Losh
2017-12-06  1:07 ` Warren Toomey
2017-12-06 16:11   ` Random832
2017-12-06 16:15     ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-06 18:39       ` Clem Cole
2017-12-06 18:49         ` [TUHS] V7 Addendem [ really lawyers and AT&T consent decree ] Jon Steinhart
2017-12-06 18:53           ` Warner Losh
2017-12-06 18:58             ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-06 18:54           ` Clem Cole
2017-12-06 19:20             ` William Pechter
2017-12-07 14:26               ` Ron Natalie
2017-12-06 19:23           ` William Corcoran
2017-12-06 20:30             ` Kurt H Maier
2017-12-06 23:59               ` George Michaelson
2017-12-07 14:03               ` Ron Natalie
2017-12-07 15:34                 ` William Corcoran
2017-12-07  5:08             ` Jon Steinhart
2017-12-07 15:09               ` Larry McVoy
2017-12-11 18:17           ` Paul Winalski
2017-12-11 18:39             ` Clem Cole
2017-12-12  0:27               ` Steve Johnson
2017-12-13 17:09                 ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-13 17:05               ` Jason Stevens
2017-12-11 20:11             ` William Cheswick
2017-12-11 23:26               ` Arthur Krewat

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