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From: Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Recovered /etc/passwd files
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:45:30 -0400
Message-ID: <1571492733.19343.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> (raw)

I'm amused (in a good way) that this thread persists, and
without becoming boring.

Speaking as someone who was Ken's sysadmin for six years,
I find it hard to get upset over someone cracking a password
hash that has been out in the open for decades, using an
algorithm that became pragmatically unsafe slightly fewer
decades ago.  It really shouldn't be in use anywhere any
more anyway.  Were I still Ken's sysadmin I'd have leaned
on him to change it long ago.

So far as I know, my password from that era didn't escape
the Labs, but nevertheless I abandoned it long ago--when
I left the Labs myself, in fact.

I do have one password that has been unchanged since the
mid-1990s and is stored in heritage hash on a few computers
that don't even have /etc/shadow, but those are not public
systems.  And it's probably time I changed it anyway.

None of this is to excuse the creeps who steal passwords
these days, nor to promote complacency.  At the place I now
work we had a possible /etc/shadow exposure some years back,
and we reacted by pushing everyone to change their passwords
and also by taking various measures to keep even the hashes
better-hidden.  But there is, or should be, a difference
between a password that is still in use and one that was exposed
so long ago, and in what is now so trivial an algorithm, that
it is no more than a puzzle for fans of the old-fart days.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-19 13:45 Norman Wilson [this message]
2019-10-19 20:27 ` ewe2
2019-10-19 20:41   ` Arthur Krewat
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-08 18:38 Norman Wilson
2019-10-08 18:51 ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-08 21:02   ` Dave Horsfall
2019-10-08 21:22     ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-09  5:49       ` Nigel Williams
2019-10-09  5:52         ` Nigel Williams
2019-10-09  6:00           ` Warner Losh
2019-10-09  8:16             ` Andy Kosela
2019-10-09  8:53               ` Ken Thompson via TUHS
2019-10-09  9:16                 ` Leah Neukirchen
2019-10-09 23:04           ` Dave Horsfall
2019-10-10  6:31             ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2019-10-09 19:59         ` Rob Pike
2019-10-09 20:09           ` Kurt H Maier
2019-10-09 21:05             ` Bakul Shah
2019-10-09 21:09               ` Warner Losh
2019-10-09 21:16                 ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-09 22:05                   ` Adam Thornton
2019-10-09 23:28                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-10-11 12:28             ` Anthony Martin
2019-10-09 20:14           ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-10 20:24           ` Clem Cole
2019-10-10 20:38             ` Nemo
2019-10-10 20:52               ` John P. Linderman
2019-10-11  6:24               ` Dave Horsfall
2019-10-11 11:09                 ` William Pechter
2019-10-11 23:46           ` Finn O'Leary
2019-10-12  0:21             ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-10  8:21         ` Dan Cross
2019-10-10 11:58           ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-10 12:07             ` Leah Neukirchen
2019-10-18 14:34               ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-18 15:01                 ` Royce Williams
2019-10-18 15:05                   ` Royce Williams
2019-10-18 18:32                   ` Royce Williams
2019-10-19 13:11                     ` John P. Linderman
2019-10-10 13:57           ` Henry Bent
2019-10-10 14:05             ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-15 16:32               ` Michael Kjörling
2019-10-10 14:10             ` Leah Neukirchen
2019-10-11  2:49             ` Dave Horsfall
2019-10-08 20:52 ` Dave Horsfall
2019-10-08 21:15   ` Michael Kjörling
2019-10-03 18:51 Finn O'Leary
2019-10-03 19:30 ` Leah Neukirchen
2019-10-03 20:41   ` Finn O'Leary
2019-10-03 22:04     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-10-03 23:24     ` Dave Horsfall
2019-10-04  0:59       ` WIlliam Cheswick
2019-10-04 16:08         ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-04 10:29       ` Leah Neukirchen
2019-10-04 15:05         ` Ken Thompson via TUHS
2019-10-05 18:05   ` Tom Jones
2019-10-08 17:38     ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-08 20:40       ` Dave Horsfall
2019-10-08 20:57         ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-09 12:55       ` Leah Neukirchen
2019-10-09 16:17         ` Arthur Krewat
2019-10-05 17:29 ` Michael Kjörling
2019-10-05 17:49   ` Arthur Krewat

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