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Sat, 5 Jan 2019 22:26:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=eschatologist.net; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= eschatologist.net; bh=H4RcPiMwOKWRnuxfwPPW/uSSnp4=; b=nNDKOAA0c9 KhNlQUjPeUddH0mF6e2qcLGFACS8lTAK2TJbq35q7hxTODbzGc5sYBRPH7aVsSZw Hp2kGoyEq4ONErQ1LBvY+TchgP+pVXuTrViC+2Ol9mS6Is7DK8X34Z2pjxSJaJ1y wUaVD7M6MVr2oXrg/K6bMjT77vTpGXinA= Received: from [10.0.1.206] (c-76-126-113-109.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.126.113.109]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: cmhanson@eschatologist.net) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a47.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE1B180908; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 22:26:34 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a47 From: Chris Hanson In-Reply-To: <20190106024054.GA27103@eureka.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 22:26:33 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <16571FEB-7E52-44ED-B773-B23E8BE7FAD9@eschatologist.net> References: <201901050226.x052QigU089781@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <22BA2F17-310F-4396-A35A-23E2D1130018@ronnatalie.com> <20190105153133.GA24497@mcvoy.com> <857E28A8-A1A7-48DD-A60D-05FADD93C6C5@eschatologist.net> <20190106024054.GA27103@eureka.lemis.com> To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrvdeggdelgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpeevhhhrihhsucfjrghnshhonhcuoegtmhhhrghnshhonhesvghstghhrghtohhlohhgihhsthdrnhgvtheqnecukfhppeejiedruddviedruddufedruddtleenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghloheplgdutddrtddruddrvddtiegnpdhinhgvthepjeeirdduvdeirdduudefrddutdelpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeevhhhrihhsucfjrghnshhonhcuoegtmhhhrghnshhonhesvghstghhrghtohhlohhgihhsthdrnhgvtheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheptghmhhgrnhhsohhnsegvshgthhgrthholhhoghhishhtrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd Subject: Re: [TUHS] Emacs (was: Isaacson v Unix) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Jan 5, 2019, at 6:40 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >=20 > On Saturday, 5 January 2019 at 17:43:43 -0800, Chris Hanson wrote: >> On Jan 5, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Larry McVoy wrote: >>>=20 >>> +1. RMS always talked big but the real work was done by other = people. >>> GCC was Tiemann at Sun and then at Cygnus, groff was James Clark, >>> etc. I think RMS hacked on emacs but not much else. >>=20 >> Which I thought was originally derived from Unipress emacs >> (Gosmacs), and was why old source code used to be hard to find. >=20 > I don't think there's any serious doubt that rms wrote the original > Emacs, in TECO. That=E2=80=99s not what I=E2=80=99m referring to, I=E2=80=99m referring = to GNU emacs. (Also, he didn=E2=80=99t write the original emacs. He took it over.) > If I understand it correctly, though, he took > significant improvements, including screen redisplay, from Gosling > Emacs. GNU emacs is not a descendant of the TECO package. What I=E2=80=99m = referring to is that GNU emacs started as a set of hacks on Gosmacs, and = the Gosmacs code had to be excised because it wasn=E2=80=99t actually = something FSF could redistribute as their own. -- Chris