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boundary="=_b28149ba590e5f13bcb45f33ddb33bfc" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtkedrudefiedgvdegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhepkffhvffoihgjuffftgggsegrtderreertdejnecuhfhrohhmpedfufhtvghvvgculfhohhhnshhonhdfuceoshgtjheshigrtggtmhgrnhdrtghomheqnecukfhppeeiiedrfeefrddvtddtrdegpddutddrfeehrdegvddrvddvudenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghloheplhhotggrlhhhohhsthdpihhnvghtpeeiiedrfeefrddvtddtrdegpdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpedfufhtvghvvgculfhohhhnshhonhdfuceoshgtjheshigrtggtmhgrnhdrtghomheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepshgtjheshigrtggtmhgrnhdrtghomhdpnhhrtghpthhtohepthhuhhhssehtuhhhshdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Subject: Re: [TUHS] stories X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --=_b28149ba590e5f13bcb45f33ddb33bfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0AI heard about Bell Labs from someone who had a summer job a couple of= =0Ayears earlier.=C2=A0 He said the people were smart and dedicated, and= it=0Awas not a place where everybody went home at 5PM (that was an=0Aun= derstatement!).=C2=A0 One of my professors knew someone there and gave= =0Athem a call, so an interview was set up.=C2=A0 It was about a 2 hour= drive=0Afrom my home outside of Philadelphia, so I left three hours bef= ore the=0Ainterview, ran into some traffic, and then got horribly lost (= oh for a=0AGPS!).=C2=A0 I got to the interview an hour and 15 minutes la= te and talked=0Ato an HR person who said, in effect, "It's a shame you c= ame in=0Atoday.=C2=A0 We hardly hire anyone, and we've already hired eve= ryone we=0Aneed for the summer.=C2=A0 But since you're here, we've arran= ged for your=0Ato have lunch with one of our busy researchers..." =C2=A0= I had a 2-hour=0Alunch with Tom Crowley, and we really hit it off.=C2= =A0 Tom then took me=0Aaround and introduced me to people as "This is St= eve who will be=0Aworking with us this summer...". =C2=A0 Then he took m= e back to HR, where=0Athey effectively repeated their earlier message.= =C2=A0 It was my first,=0Abut far from my last, experience with organiza= tional incoherence. =C2=A0=0ABut in any case, I got the job.=C2=A0 After= the first summer, I was=0Ahooked...=0A=0AIt's probably worth pointing o= ut that Xerox PARC soon became a serious=0Acompetitor for computing tale= nt, with almost no overlap with the labs=0Ain the computer area--they we= re a lisp shop and WYSIWYG text=0Aprocessing and such.=C2=A0 I had some= very spirited discussions with PARC=0Afolks at conferences that were a= lot of fun and very stimulating.=C2=A0 In=0Athe compiler area, IBM York= town Heights also did work much different=0Afrom the Labs, and lead to l= ively debates at conferences.=0A=0ASteve=0A=0A----- Original Message ---= --=0AFrom: "Larry McVoy" =0ATo:"The Eunuchs Hysterical Soc= iety" =0ACc:=0ASent:Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:17:25 -0800=0ASub= ject:[TUHS] stories=0A=0A Ken's story got me thinking about stuff I woul= d still like to learn=0A and his comment about "when I got to Bell Labs"= ... made me wonder=0A how did Ken, Dennis, Brian, Joe and the rest of th= e crew make their=0A way to Bell Labs?=0A=0A When I was just starting ou= t, Sun was sort of the Bell Labs of the=0A time (not that Sun was the sa= me as Bell Labs but it was sort of=0A the center of the Unix universe in= my mind). So I wanted to go=0A there and had to work at it a bit but I= got there.=0A=0A Was Bell Labs in the 60's like that? If you were a gee= k was that=0A the place to go? I was born in '62 so I don't have any mem= ory of=0A how well known the Labs were back then.=0A=0A So how was it th= at so many smart - and somewhat like minded it seems=0A-=0A people end u= p there?=0A=0A --lm=0A=0A --=_b28149ba590e5f13bcb45f33ddb33bfc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I heard about Bell Labs from someone who had a summer job a= couple of years earlier.=C2=A0 He said the people were smart and dedica= ted, and it was not a place where everybody went home at 5PM (that was a= n understatement!).=C2=A0 One of my professors knew someone there and ga= ve them a call, so an interview was set up.=C2=A0 It was about a 2 hour= drive from my home outside of Philadelphia, so I left three hours befor= e the interview, ran into some traffic, and then got horribly lost (oh f= or a GPS!).=C2=A0 I got to the interview an hour and 15 minutes late and= talked to an HR person who said, in effect, "It's a shame you came in t= oday.=C2=A0 We hardly hire anyone, and we've already hired everyone we n= eed for the summer.=C2=A0 But since you're here, we've arranged for your= to have lunch with one of our busy researchers..." =C2=A0 I had a 2-hou= r lunch with Tom Crowley, and we really hit it off.=C2=A0 Tom then took= me around and introduced me to people as "This is Steve who will be wor= king with us this summer...". =C2=A0 Then he took me back to HR, where t= hey effectively repeated their earlier message.=C2=A0 It was my first, b= ut far from my last, experience with organizational incoherence. =C2=A0= But in any case, I got the job.=C2=A0 After the first summer, I was hoo= ked...

It's probably worth pointing out that Xe= rox PARC soon became a serious competitor for computing talent, with alm= ost no overlap with the labs in the computer area--they were a lisp shop= and WYSIWYG text processing and such.=C2=A0 I had some very spirited di= scussions with PARC folks at conferences that were a lot of fun and very= stimulating.=C2=A0 In the compiler area, IBM Yorktown Heights also did= work much different from the Labs, and lead to lively debates at confer= ences.

Steve



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= "Larry McVoy" <lm@mcvoy.com>

To:
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[TUHS] stories


= =0AKen's story got me thinking about stuff I would still like to learn=0Aand his comment about "when I got to Bell Labs"... made me wonder=0Ahow did Ken, Dennis, Brian, Joe and the rest of the crew make their=
=0Away to Bell Labs?

=0AWhen I was just starting out, Sun was= sort of the Bell Labs of the
=0Atime (not that Sun was the same as B= ell Labs but it was sort of
=0Athe center of the Unix universe in my= mind). So I wanted to go
=0Athere and had to work at it a bit but I= got there.

=0AWas Bell Labs in the 60's like that? If you were= a geek was that
=0Athe place to go? I was born in '62 so I don't ha= ve any memory of
=0Ahow well known the Labs were back then.

= =0ASo how was it that so many smart - and somewhat like minded it seems= -
=0Apeople end up there?

=0A--lm

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