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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJ86CW/p0QDiM8xogtbebbqq9nhSAKRebppAgact8wBIdT8CgJUGHcBAoufCKYB3nGRCQEEIm0QApBs19kBTBUDd6z4amkg Content-Language: en-gb Message-ID-Hash: RIKZ4KSZBWIZBUGYBEWTALKMORZHL4OY X-Message-ID-Hash: RIKZ4KSZBWIZBUGYBEWTALKMORZHL4OY X-MailFrom: henry@henare.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: project athena (was Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: I don't think you will find that. These systems were, pretty much, out in the world and not particularly managed by anyone except the people who were using them (largely educators and researchers). While the PC/ATs were deployed by Project Athena, they were not managed. By the time I landed there the RT devices were the focus of future activity since they more closely fit into the plan and folks like Ted were in a better position to do what was needed to build a platform that was uniform. -----Original Message----- From: Larry McVoy Sent: 11 February 2023 09:49 To: Jonathan Gray Cc: Larry McVoy ; Henry Mensch ; Theodore Ts'o ; tuhs@tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] Re: project athena (was Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS) On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 02:51:55PM +1100, Jonathan Gray wrote: > http://bitsavers.org/pdf/opusSystems/32k/800-00237-000_Opus_100pm_User > _Manual_1987.pdf That gave me the best "feel" for what it was like. Still would like to hear from someone that ran on this on a day to day basis. It looks pretty cool but either it happened a little too late for me (by 1987 I was working for Lachman porting Unix to the ETA-10 and I was running on Sun3/50 as my desktop and Sun3/260 as the file server) or I missed it. I owned an AT&T Unix PC in college (I think, or I used Rob Netzer's but I think we had 2 of them) and it would be interesting to know how the 320xx on an AT stacked up against that.