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no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: project athena (was Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: that would have happened before I arrived in April of 1986. my first job at= Athena was to. get folks off those XTs and (mostly) ATs. This was wildly unsuccessful and unpopular because the replacement hardware= wouldn't be similarly capable... and also because, even then, there were m= ore things that could be plugged into XTs and ATs. The old platform was per= ceived as more versatile. - Henry On February 9, 2023 20:30:47 "Theodore Ts'o" wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2023 at 09:12:28AM +1100, Jonathan Gray wrote: >> >> Before the PC/RT machines and AOS, there was also an attempt at PC/XT >> machines with Genix running on a add-in card. > > It's possible that there were some IBM'ers at MIT Building E40 (where > Project Athena was headquartered) that were playing with a PC/XT with > a co-processor board, but as far as I know that was never deployed in > the field --- at least, I never saw them. The only I saw were PC/AT's > (that is, the ones with the '286 CPU) that ran DOS and which were > essentially used only to telnet to the Vax 750's (or supdup to the MIT > AI / LCS lab machines, but most undergraduates didn't have access to > those computers; connecting to MIT Multics was also possible, via a > 3270 emulator, but again, most undergrduates didn't have access, > although MIT's Student Information Processing Board could give out > limited accounts for undergraduates to experiment with Multics.) > > =09=09 =09=09 =09=09 - Ted