From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29414 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2021 18:08:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Apr 2021 18:08:35 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0EC969CAC8; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 04:08:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D6B9CA5B; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 04:07:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9BA709C883; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 04:07:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from hop.toad.com (75-101-100-43.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com [75.101.100.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9F499C83D for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 04:07:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from hop.toad.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hop.toad.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id 135I7JRl019644; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 11:07:19 -0700 To: Warner Losh In-reply-to: References: <20210401145025.GA1202@naleco.com> <20210404052939.xivuinlcugqb5zde@localhost.localdomain> Comments: In-reply-to Warner Losh message dated "Sun, 04 Apr 2021 20:19:48 -0600." Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 11:07:19 -0700 Message-ID: <19643.1617646039@hop.toad.com> From: John Gilmore Subject: Re: [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > > There simply are no venues for "engineering" papers or > > presentations any more... > > It's the main reason I've not had a USENIX paper published in about 15 > years... I'm an engineer, not an academic. The only time I submitted a paper to USENIX, it was about my 1988 project with CSRG to convert the BSD distribution to using GCC rather than PCC. The project itself was an interesting tour through C language history, turning up ancient code that used ints as pointers, for example. The paper was rejected by the program committee, on the objection that "ports aren't research". So the pro-academic, anti-engineering mindset was already in place back then. Though I was disappointed to have the paper rejected, at the time I thought (like an engineer!) that the reason for rejection was a bit of a positive comment -- "Our software is becoming portable enough that it doesn't take imagination, genius, or innovation to make it run on a completely different architecture or toolchain." (I posted the 1988 draft paper to this TUHS list in May 2020, in a thread with the subject "History of popularity of C".) John