* Setup Instructions for 2.11BSD
@ 1997-09-15 5:17 Warren Toomey
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From: Warren Toomey @ 1997-09-15 5:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
[ The following email came from Steven Schultz, but didn't make
it into the PUPS mail list as it was too big! I've extracted
the included PostScript file and put it on the PUPS web page.
Warren
]
Greetings -
> = "David C. Jenner" <djenner at halcyon.com>
> occurred to me as I drool in anticipation over the possibility of
> running 2.11BSD on an 11/73!
It is a lot of fun - well worth drooling over ;-)
> Maybe you or a 2.11BSD expert (Steve Schultz?) could find the "release
You rang? ;)
> notes" for 2.11BSD and post them, if that's legal now. That would
Hmmm, the Install/Setup docs have the old style BSD copyright notice
on them ("subject to the terms of your BSD license") rather than the
later "do what you want but leave our credits present". I suppose it
wouldn't be too risky to post the formatted documentation (rather than
the raw nroff source). It is quite large (I hope Postscript is
acceptable to everyone) but gzip'd it should be of reasonable size.
[ It's now at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/2bsdsetup.ps.gz - Warren ]
> It will be great to have everything on a CD-ROM, but that probably won't
> help a majority of users bootstrap up a system, since most won't have a
> CD-ROM or maybe even no operating system to start with. We are going to
> have to find someone(s) who is (are) willing to make up a standard
> distribution tape (9-track or otherwise) or floppies (is that
> possible?). This could really be the biggest hurdle to getting a system
For quite a while it didn't occur to me what all the fuss was
about. I assumed that folks would do what I do - put the CD into
a BSD/OS|FreeBSD|Linux|usw box and write the images out to a 4mm
or 9-track and then cable the tape drive up to the PDP-11 and proceed.
It finally dawned on me that most folks won't have invested in
a Qbus SCSI adaptor (it's really a VERY handy thing to have, makes
possible sharing of tape drives, using inexpensive new disks instead
of old slow RD5{3,4} drives, etc).
For _some_ folks (those a bit more "serious") getting a SCSI adaptor
would be a "good thing". They're cheaper now than they used to be
(I about choked when a new Emulex UC08 was $1500 - and that's with
a 30% discount - but went ahead with it back in 1991 and have never
regretted it). A used UC08 (or similar CMD product) is from
what I have seen about $900 today. A TAPE ONLY CMD adaptor is "just"
$300 - that's not too bad, is it? Since in many cases the systems
have been obtained free (or cheaply) as they were being tossed out
and it is beginning to look like the software will be almost free
($100 or so isn't a whole lot of money) perhaps investing some money
into the hobby in the form of a SCSI adaptor would be a wise choice (at
least for some folks). Everything can't be free all the time, can it?
DEC used to make a SCSI adaptor (RQZX1) and a TZ30 (SCSI variant of
the TK50) but I have no idea how available those are on the used
parts market these days.
Other folks I would hope could find a Vax (or similar) system around
with a TK50 or whatever and perhaps write the images to tape that way.
You don't want floppies ;) RX50 floppy media is expensive and
only holds 800kb per diskette (not to mention that RX50 drives are
flakey). RX33s can get 1.2mb per disk but the Teac model of 5.25" drive
that can be adapted to the RQDX3 controller is getting _scare_ and
newer models (from what I understand) can not be adapted for use
with RQDX3 controller. I suppose a person could get an RX23 or RX26
from DEC but heaven knows what that would cost.
Besides which a complete 2.11 kit would take somewhere between 80 and
100 floppies (depending on how full each one could be packed).
TK25s are another possibility but I don't know how many folks have
(or want) one of those - they're rather awkward physically and while
they use DC600A tapes aren't interchangeable with any other system.
9-track tape was the traditional distribution mechanism for 2BSD up
until 2.10.1BSD at which time TK50s (TMSCP) support was added. The
kit was 2 tapes at 1600bpi but the system has grown enough that a
3rd tape might be required today. At 6250bpi everything fits quite
nicely on a single tape (might be a bit tight at 3200bpi though).
Attached below is the Setup/Installation document from 2.11BSD
(last revised in June 1995). It is a gzip'd postscript file uuencoded
for safe transit thru the mail.
[ It's now at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/2bsdsetup.ps.gz - Warren ]
Steven Schultz
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From: m@mbsks.franken.de (Matthias Bruestle)
Subject: Re: Setup Instructions for 2.11BSD
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According to Steven Schultz:
> a BSD/OS|FreeBSD|Linux|usw box and write the images out to a 4mm
(Is usw also used in English?)
> regretted it). A used UC08 (or similar CMD product) is from
> what I have seen about $900 today. A TAPE ONLY CMD adaptor is "just"
> $300 - that's not too bad, is it? Since in many cases the systems
US$300 may be not bad, but I would rather buy a new monitor.
(A 14-year-old 14" colour monitor with "some" "small" defects or
a 14" grayscale monitor are not the best.)
I could also buy RAM for my M70: 1MB US$550. That's way to much for me.
> You don't want floppies ;) RX50 floppy media is expensive and
A bootable RT-11 floppy with kserve is fine if you have a disk image.
If I find a "DU-ready" BSD (I'm not that good in C.) I will try this
floppy solution to install it on my M70. That is also my only
possibility without spending hundreds of dollars, unless someone
writes a serial tape emulator or something like that.
Btw. my M70 has two monitors:
SBC M70-V3.0
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M70>
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Is the second a debugger?
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From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner@halcyon.com>
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It occurred to me that adding another peripheral was an option. That's
why I asked the experts!
Steven Schultz said:
> For _some_ folks (those a bit more "serious") getting a SCSI adaptor
> would be a "good thing". They're cheaper now than they used to be
> (I about choked when a new Emulex UC08 was $1500 - and that's with
> a 30% discount - but went ahead with it back in 1991 and have never
> regretted it). A used UC08 (or similar CMD product) is from
> what I have seen about $900 today. A TAPE ONLY CMD adaptor is "just"
> $300 - that's not too bad, is it? Since in many cases the systems
> have been obtained free (or cheaply) as they were being tossed out
> and it is beginning to look like the software will be almost free
> ($100 or so isn't a whole lot of money) perhaps investing some money
> into the hobby in the form of a SCSI adaptor would be a wise choice (at
> least for some folks). Everything can't be free all the time, can it?
>
> DEC used to make a SCSI adaptor (RQZX1) and a TZ30 (SCSI variant of
> the TK50) but I have no idea how available those are on the used
> parts market these days.
>
Can someone qualify exactly which controllers (or class of controllers)
would work here? And which tape drives? By the time you add up a
controller and a drive, it could approach $1000, though. And the drive
must be supported on your other (Linux) system.
> TK25s are another possibility but I don't know how many folks have
> (or want) one of those - they're rather awkward physically and while
> they use DC600A tapes aren't interchangeable with any other system.
>
I have one of these, although it has been flakey as of late. Is anyone
prepared to make up (bootable) 2.11BSD tapes on TK25 cartridges?
Thanks,
Dave
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<Btw. my M70 has two monitors:
What is a M70? PDP11/70 or ?
< SBC M70-V3.0
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<DX DY DL DU DM DB MS MT
<
<M70>
That is some form of boot rom and those are the devices you can boot.
<173244
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<Is the second a debugger?
That is ODT, crude debugger. For many PDP-11s it serves as a microcode
console as in the 11/03 and 11/23 series
Allison
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According to Allison J Parent:
> <Btw. my M70 has two monitors:
> What is a M70? PDP11/70 or ?
A M70 is from Mentec and something like a 11/73. On my quad-high board
are 512kB RAM and 4 serial ports.
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