From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: allisonp@world.std.com (Allison J Parent) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:21:36 -0500 Subject: Binary-only PDP UNIX Message-ID: <199803050221.AA05673@world.std.com> suggest a way to get the images on to the RL02 using RT-11 I'm interest <> I can kermit the files from the PC so that step is not a problem. < ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 18:58:13 +1100 (EST) Received: (from stacy at localhost) by harrier.asiasys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00282 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:59:48 +0500 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:59:48 +0500 From: Stacy Minkin Message-Id: <199803050759.MAA00282 at harrier.asiasys.com> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Hardware guru needed! Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Hi dear PUPS! It is about one week gone from the mome I got sufficiently powerful PDP-11. Before this I ran LSI-11/02 under RT-11 and couldn't think about unix. Those new machine is the main reason for joining to this list for me. It includes: KDF-11 CPU, RQDX3, DHQ11 8 line async option, TQK70 tape controller, 1.5Mbyte of memory etc. etc. I also have the complete BSD2.9 source distribution in tar file and like to run all of the above. Currently I've started KDF11 and it seems to be ok. Problems are: It has lots of switches (the same for MSV-11 boards and RQDX3 and all of that) and have very little docs about how to set it correctly. When I tried to bring up the KDF with memory at once KDF said : no memory :-] but it runs ok with little 32K memory board from LSI-11/2 ! Seems to me that my MSV-11 boards have wrong starting address settings or something... Same story with RQDX3 - currently I have no RDx disks so I thought that boot my system from RX50 is not a bad idea... I've plugged standard 5 inch floppy to RQDX3 sig. dist. connector labeled "RX50" and fired up the machine. Got nothing. I tried to investigate what happens to bootstrap. I've detected that during init of mscp controller it successfully undergoes steps 1 and 2 ( or maybe even 3) but in next step it returns 0 in SA and bootstrap waits for eternity when controller will enter next step... Looks like hardware fault, ha? Then I tried to check my TQK70 board. It had nothing connected to it, and I traced it's initialization sequence the same way. IT ALSO RETURNS ZERO in 3rd or 4th init step!. Can anyone help with the above? Sincerely yours - Stacy. Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19463 for pups-liszt; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:38:35 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19458 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:38:22 +1100 (EST) Received: from indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk [195.102.196.129] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yAYyF-00012z-00; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:37:51 +0000 Received: by indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk (940816.SGI.8.6.9/980207.PNT) for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au id LAA08074; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:38:38 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:38:38 GMT From: pete@dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) X-Beware: experimental sendmail.cf 940816.SGI.8.6.9/980207.PNT Message-Id: <9803051138.ZM8072 at indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Stacy Minkin "Hardware guru needed!" (Mar 5, 12:59) References: <199803050759.MAA00282 at harrier.asiasys.com> Reply-To: pete at dunnington.u-net.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Hardware guru needed! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk On Mar 5, 12:59, Stacy Minkin wrote: > Currently I've started KDF11 and it seems to be ok. > Problems are: It has lots of switches (the same for MSV-11 boards and > RQDX3 and all of that) You probably don't need to change anyhing on the RQDX3 -- they're usually set up correctly (because they'e not often changed :-) > Same story with RQDX3 - currently I have no RDx disks so I thought > that boot my system from RX50 is not a bad idea... I've plugged > standard 5 inch floppy to RQDX3 sig. dist. connector labeled "RX50" > and fired up the machine. Got nothing. During init, the RQDX3 probes the disk(s) to see what's there. For a floppy, it checks for an RX50 by selecting the drive, finding track zero, and then switching the side select. On a real RX50, which actually behaves as two separate single-sided drives, this turns off the track zero signal; but not on any normal drive. There's a way to fool it, but you need to modify the drive or add a little circuitry. However, if you can find an RX33-compatible drive, that would be more useful anyway. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA20302 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 03:43:39 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA20297 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 03:43:32 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA03469; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:25:43 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa Message-Id: <9803051625.AA03469 at alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: Hardware guru needed! To: stacy at asia.uznet.net (Stacy Minkin) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:25:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au, shoppa at alph02.triumf.ca In-Reply-To: <199803050759.MAA00282 at harrier.asiasys.com> from "Stacy Minkin" at Mar 5, 98 12:59:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > Those new machine is the > main reason for joining to this list for me. > It includes: KDF-11 CPU, RQDX3, DHQ11 8 line async option, > TQK70 tape controller, 1.5Mbyte of memory etc. etc. > I also have the complete BSD2.9 source distribution > in tar file and like to run all of the above. Big problem: BSD2.9 doesn't support your disk (RQDX3) or tape (TQK70) controllers. I'd suggest BSD2.11, but it doesn't run on your CPU. > Currently I've started KDF11 and it seems to be ok. > Problems are: It has lots of switches (the same for MSV-11 boards and > RQDX3 and all of that) and have very little docs about > how to set it correctly. The best place to ask about these things would be the usenet newsgroup vmsnet.pdp-11. Tim. Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA20695 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 05:24:04 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0 at MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20690 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 05:23:53 +1100 (EST) Received: (from sms at localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22049 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:07:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:07:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven M. Schultz" Message-Id: <199803051807.KAA22049 at moe.2bsd.com> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Hardware guru needed! Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Hi - > From: Tim Shoppa > > Those new machine is the main reason for joining to this list for me. > > It includes: KDF-11 CPU, RQDX3, DHQ11 8 line async option, > > TQK70 tape controller, 1.5Mbyte of memory etc. etc. > > Big problem: BSD2.9 doesn't support your disk (RQDX3) or tape (TQK70) > controllers. I'd suggest BSD2.11, but it doesn't run on your CPU. That's almost two problems :-) It might be possible to retrofit [T]MSCP support into 2.9 but it would be a lot of work and a system with both MSCP and non-MSCP devices would be required. Swapping out the cpu card for a KDJ-11AB (M8192 if my memory hasn't completely faded) wouldn't be too expensive and would speed things up too. Hmmm, might need a MXV11 bootrom card. Perhaps a KDJ-11BB would be a better way to go. Steven Schultz Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21408 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:25:23 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from toad.xkl.com (toad.xkl.com [192.94.202.40]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21403 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:25:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:23:21 -0800 From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" Subject: Just got V7 going on 11/83... To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Message-ID: <13337322993.13.DSEAGRAV at toad.xkl.com> Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk I just got V7 to load on my 11/83. Killes 2 hours playing wump. Who says you need grpahics for games? :) Anyway, I know there's no source liscense yet, but can I get someone to build a kernel for me? I wouldn't have to see source... It'd be real neat to hang this off a termserver and allow telnets... I'm gonna do that with my RSTS box real soon, the only limitation here is that V7 is only built with support for the console. I have the V7 image downloaded from DEC. I kermitted it to the 83, and did COPY v7.DSK/FILE DL0:/DEVICE It truncated something, but FSCK says the pack is fine. I have to load RT-11 from the MSCP, then say BOOT/FOR DL0: to start V7, though because if I tell the ROM to load DL0, it dies saying the disk isn't bootable. But at least it runs! ------- Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA21527 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:13:01 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from orion.zepa.net (root at orion.zepa.net [205.245.53.12]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21522 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:12:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from orbit.zepa.net (root at orbit.zepa.net [205.245.53.14]) by orion.zepa.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19731 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from orbit.zepa.net (kolya at orbit.zepa.net [205.245.53.14]) by orbit.zepa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA25305 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:12:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: Nickolai Zeldovich To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: PDP Prompt? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm trying to revive a PDP 11/04, but not having much luck at the moment.. I got a serial terminal hooked up to it, and upon bootup, it gives me the following on the display: 177777 177776 $ apparently, $ is some sort of a prompt. It only accepts two characters, and after, it seems, any pair of characters, will go on and give me a new prompt. Is this some sort of a ROM debugger? What can I tell it? I think I've tried almost every combination of 2 letters without any success.. Some info about the PDP: It's a 11/04, with a dual 8" floppy drive and some big cage made by MTS, with nothing in it but a large number of slots. Has some buttons saying 'STATION 1 DUMP', 'STATION 2 DUMP', and so on.. The floppy drive has two 8" floppies in it, one of them appears to be some sort of a system floppy, the other has no label. Does this look like even remotely salvageable? :) -- [ Nickolai Zeldovich // nickolai at zepa.net ] Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA21757 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:52:44 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21752 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:52:35 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA01812; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:52:15 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa Message-Id: <9803052152.AA01812 at alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: PDP Prompt? To: kolya at zepa.net (Nickolai Zeldovich) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: from "Nickolai Zeldovich" at Mar 5, 98 04:12:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to revive a PDP 11/04, but not having much luck at the moment.. > I got a serial terminal hooked up to it, and upon bootup, it gives me the > following on the display: > > 177777 177776 > $ > > apparently, $ is some sort of a prompt. It only accepts two characters, > and after, it seems, any pair of characters, will go on and give me a new > prompt. > > Is this some sort of a ROM debugger? What can I tell it? I think I've > tried almost every combination of 2 letters without any success.. Commands available at this prompt include: Lnnnnnn - to set an address E - to examine the address set with L Dnnnnnn - to deposit at an address set with L S - begin running at the loaded address The console ROM is very picky; all letters need to be in upper case, and you need to type and in exactly the right places. It's also very stupid, in that if you try to Examine or Deposit to a non-existent address, the only clue you get is that the RUN light on the goes out and you have restart it from the front. > It's a 11/04, with a dual 8" floppy drive and some big cage made by MTS, > with nothing in it but a large number of slots. Has some buttons saying > 'STATION 1 DUMP', 'STATION 2 DUMP', and so on.. The floppy drive has two > 8" floppies in it, one of them appears to be some sort of a system floppy, > the other has no label. > > Does this look like even remotely salvageable? :) It'll never run a modernish Unix, but it will run RT-11 just fine. Is the floppy controller a DEC RX211 (M8256) or RX11 (M7846) or some third-party clone? Are there any boot ROM's on the M9312? The RX01 boot ROM is 23-753A9, and the RX02 boot rom is 23-811A9. If you've got a third party RX clone controller, it may have the boot ROM on that board. Try examining addresses 173000, 173200, 173400, 173600, and 171000 to see if a boot ROM might be living at any of these addresses. As this is very non-Unix related, you might want to ask any other questions you have on a more general PDP-11 related forum, such as the Usenet newsgroup "vmsnet.pdp-11". Tim. (shoppa at triumf.ca) Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26620 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:33:09 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from harrier.Uznet.NET (asia.uznet.net [193.220.92.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26615 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:32:58 +1100 (EST) Received: (from stacy at localhost) by harrier.Uznet.NET (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00190 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:34:38 +0500 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:34:38 +0500 From: Stacy Minkin Message-Id: <199803060534.KAA00190 at harrier.Uznet.NET> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Re: Hardware guru needed Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk >What backplane? There are 16, 18 and 22 bit address backplanes and >using the smaller with the larger memory generally does not work and >give an address error. >I prefer to use part/model number like H9273(a backplane) or >M8259(memory). How actually distinguish these backplanes? I can check whether extended address lines are routed to slots, if it sufficient - ok. If not - are there more differencies? >What you need is a copy of the dec hand books that list all those details. >Any of the volumes from the mid to late 80s would help. No chance to get it in xUSSR! >Standard floppy? You can use a DEC RX50 or an RX33(teacfd55gfv). If >using the latter *all* of the jumper must be set up correctly in the >drive. The RX33 is a 1.2m 5.25" drive with speed select. You cannot >use a PC 5.25 360k drive or a 3.5" drive(actually it's possible but, >very non standard and unhelpful to you at this time). Which logical drive address should be set on floppy? >Unless the jumpers or switches on the RQDX3 were messed with the defalt >addresses and config are usually the way they are set and fit for use. The time I got RQDX3 it's address was set wrong. I've changed it immediately but there are lots of other switches... >For the RDxx you can use a ST225(rd31), st251(rd32), QUANTUM D540(rd52), >micropolus 1325(rd53) or MAXTOR2990(RD54) if they are formatted correctly. >or any other drive that matches the number of heads and cylinders of those >listed. Note those are all MFM type drives. Has anyone formatter? >Allison Stacy Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26655 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:48:40 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from harrier.Uznet.NET (asia.uznet.net [193.220.92.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26650 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:48:29 +1100 (EST) Received: (from stacy at localhost) by harrier.Uznet.NET (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00239 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:50:05 +0500 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:50:05 +0500 From: Stacy Minkin Message-Id: <199803060550.KAA00239 at harrier.Uznet.NET> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Re: hardware guru needed Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk >Big problem: BSD2.9 doesn't support your disk (RQDX3) or tape (TQK70) >controllers. I'd suggest BSD2.11, but it doesn't run on your CPU. No problem. I can write this drivers. Pete Tornbull wrote about triggering "TRACK0" signal in responce to triggering "SIDE SEL". Is it the only difference? Stacy. Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29268 for pups-liszt; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:47:23 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from tesla.df.lth.se (tesla.df.lth.se [194.47.252.144]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29263 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:47:15 +1100 (EST) Received: from lintilla2.df.lth.se (lintilla2.df.lth.se [194.47.252.38]) by tesla.df.lth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA00160; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:47:09 +0100 (MET) Received: by lintilla2.df.lth.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA29597; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:48:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:48:24 +0100 (MET) From: Beastly Wolf To: Stacy Minkin cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: Re: Hardware guru needed In-Reply-To: <199803060534.KAA00190 at harrier.Uznet.NET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk About formatter.. The VAXstation 2000 can format iron beds. You plug in 'any' mfm drive and if the enter TEST 53. If the machine does not recognize the drive, it will prompt you for drive parameters. /Lars On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Stacy Minkin wrote: > > >What backplane? There are 16, 18 and 22 bit address backplanes and > >using the smaller with the larger memory generally does not work and > >give an address error. > > >I prefer to use part/model number like H9273(a backplane) or > >M8259(memory). > How actually distinguish these backplanes? > I can check whether extended address lines are routed to slots, if > it sufficient - ok. If not - are there more differencies? > > >What you need is a copy of the dec hand books that list all those details. > >Any of the volumes from the mid to late 80s would help. > > No chance to get it in xUSSR! > > >Standard floppy? You can use a DEC RX50 or an RX33(teacfd55gfv). If > >using the latter *all* of the jumper must be set up correctly in the > >drive. The RX33 is a 1.2m 5.25" drive with speed select. You cannot > >use a PC 5.25 360k drive or a 3.5" drive(actually it's possible but, > >very non standard and unhelpful to you at this time). > > Which logical drive address should be set on floppy? > > >Unless the jumpers or switches on the RQDX3 were messed with the defalt > >addresses and config are usually the way they are set and fit for use. > > The time I got RQDX3 it's address was set wrong. I've changed it immediately > but there are lots of other switches... > > >For the RDxx you can use a ST225(rd31), st251(rd32), QUANTUM D540(rd52), > >micropolus 1325(rd53) or MAXTOR2990(RD54) if they are formatted correctly. > >or any other drive that matches the number of heads and cylinders of those > >listed. Note those are all MFM type drives. > > Has anyone formatter? > > > >Allison > > Stacy > Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05932 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:36:05 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA05927 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 06:35:59 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA26778; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:35:55 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa Message-Id: <9803081935.AA26778 at alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? To: shoppa at alph02.triumf.ca Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:35:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: from "Beastly Wolf" at Mar 6, 98 08:48:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk I've been sorting through some RL02's that came with a 11/23 system that I bought at a UBC SERF sale a year or so ago. On these RL02's there is at least one bootable V6 system, apparently generated specifically to be run on a 11/23. This ought to be of some interest to folks with real 11/23's with RL02 drives, as the other V6 systems that I'm aware of don't have RL02 handlers. Here's the question: this RL02 apparently has kernel sources in the directories /sys/ken and /sys/dmr. Does the presence of these files mean that I can only distribute images of this RL02 to those with source licenses? A non-legal question: the system identifies itself as "v6" when it boots, but there is a "v7.h" header file in the /sys directory. Is this maybe really a V7 system? Or maybe from an era when the trnasition from V6 to V7 was being made? Datestamps on the files are from 1982. For those who are listed, a log produced while running in single-user mode from a copy of the RL02 pack. Note that although the system was generated for a 11/23, it's running on a 11/73. The fact that it has more memory than "max" seems to confuse the system horribly when it goes into multi-user mode. Short of doing a lobotomy, is there any way to get around this? Tim. (shoppa at triumf.ca) b dl0 !unix unix v6 11/23 mem = 99 KW max = 63 # CD /SYS # LS V7.H FILE.H LIB1 SEG.H TTY.H BUF.H FILSYS.H LIB2 SGTTY.H USER.H CONF INO.H PARAM.H STAT.H CONF.H INODE.H PROC.H SYSTM.H DMR KEN REG.H TEXT.H # LS DMR KEN DMR: MAKEFILE DHFDM.O HT.O PIR.C TC.O AD.C DN.C IC.C PIR.O TM.C AD.O DN.O IC.O RF.C TM.O ADOLD.C DP.C IOCTL.C RF.O TTY.C BDREL.C DP.O IOCTL.O RK.C TTY.O BIO.C DUP.C IR.C RK.O TTY.S BIO.O DUP.O IR.O RL.C TTYI.C CAT.C DZ.C KL.C RL.O TTYI.O CAT.O DZ.O KL.O RM04.LAYOUT TTYINEW.C CR.C FAKE.C LP.C RP.C VS.C CR.O FAKE.O LP.O RP.O VS.O DC.C HM.C MEM.C RX2.C VT.C DC.O HM.O MEM.O RX2.O VT.O DH.C HP.C OLDRL.C STAT.C XP.C DH.O HP.O PARTAB.C STAT.O XP.O DHDM.C HS.C PARTAB.O SYS.C XY.C DHDM.O HS.O PC.C SYS.O XY.O DHFDM.C HT.C PC.O TC.C KEN: MAKEFILE IGET.S PIPE.C SUBR.C SYSENT.C ALLOC.C IOCTL.C PRF.C SYS1.C TEXT.C CLOCK.C MAIN.C RDWRI.C SYS2.C TRAP.C FIO.C MALLOC.C SIG.C SYS3.C TRAP.S IGET.C NAMI.C SLP.C SYS4.C # CD /USR # LS ADM HANNAH LEUNG OLD WHO BATCH HARDY LIB PROGM XLIB BIN INCLUDE LOG RAWICZ XYD EVANS INF LPD TMP YEUNG FORT KNOWLES MDEC UCB GAMES KUKAN NEEDHAM WEBB # LS GAMES ADVENT CHESS CUBIC TTT WUMP BJ CORE MOO TTT.K WUMPUS # LS UCB MAIL DRIBBLE.OUT GREP PIX SSP APROPOS EX HEAD PRINT STRINGS ASTAGS EX.OLD IUL PRINTENV TMP CKDIR EXPAND LAST PTAGS TOD CLEAR EYACC LOCK PX TRA CLOCK FLEECE LS PX34 TSET CR3 FMT.UCB MAKEWHATIS PXP UNTMP CTAGS FOLD MAN PXP34 VI CXREF FROM MKSTR PXREF W DAYTIME FTAGS MSGS RESET WHATIS DIFFDIR FUNNY NUM SEE WHEREIS DOUBLE GETNAME PI SETENV WHOAMI DRIBBLE GETS PI34 SOELIM XSTR # Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06382 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:37:19 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06377 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:37:15 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08954 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:38:15 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <199803082338.KAA08954 at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: FAQ of Archive of PDP-11 Unix To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:38:15 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk All, I'm starting up a FAQ on the archive of PDP-11 Unix stuff and how to use it. What I've got so far is at: http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/faq1.html but not yet linked to the other pages. I'm happy to take other questions. I'm _very_ happy to get answers! Answers will have attributions of course. This is a back burner thing, but I'll go back through the mail archive and see what I can come up with. Also note: I will add a table of contents to the top at some stage. Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06469 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:17:58 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06464 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:17:54 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09059; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:18:50 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <199803090018.LAA09059 at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: 11/04 floppy problems To: kolya at zepa.net Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:18:50 +1100 (EST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) In-Reply-To: from Nickolai Zeldovich at "Mar 8, 98 07:13:08 pm" Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk In article by Nickolai Zeldovich: > I'm having a somewhat interesting problem with my PDP-11.. I'm trying to > boot a 11/04 from a 8" floppy drive, but DX, DX0, and DX1 all make it hang > up (RUN light goes out). Would you know what this would mean? I'm not sure > if this question is really appropriate for the list, sicne it's not > UNIX-related, and I've had little luck with newsgroups (seems my newsfeed > is quite flaky). > > -- [ Nickolai Zeldovich // nickolai at zepa.net ] I'm punting this to the mailing list ONLY because Nickolai's news access is limited. Can someone help him with the problem? Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07686 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:10:09 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from tesla.df.lth.se (tesla.df.lth.se [194.47.252.144]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07681 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:10:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from lintilla2.df.lth.se (lintilla2.df.lth.se [194.47.252.38]) by tesla.df.lth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23589; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:09:49 +0100 (MET) Received: by lintilla2.df.lth.se (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03042; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:11:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:11:02 +0100 (MET) From: Beastly Wolf To: wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au cc: kolya at zepa.net, PDP Unix Preservation Subject: Re: 11/04 floppy problems In-Reply-To: <199803090018.LAA09059 at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk NIkolai! Your problem MIGHT be because somebody shuffled the cards for you! There are some classical caveats when it comes to the UNIBUS based system. a) There must be an uninterrupted grant chain all the way and no holes. b) There are two types of slots. DMA (also called a MUD or Modified Unibus Device) and NON DMA. Default is non DMA. To enable DMA you cut a strap on the wirewrapped backplane. (*cringe*)... This suggests that there are also two types of GRANT cards. One resembling a dual QBUS grant card but with green handles and one very small "playing card type" single card with no handle that can be (with force) inserted backwards and thus burn the bus. c) There must be a terminator card in the last position of the chain. I am at a customer site right now and do not have access to my library so I can not be more specific.. If you have any documentation handy, you should be able to use above information and find the exact information you need. If not, you should be able to locate the faulting device by "shortening" the bus. You start with CPU and a mem card and install the terminator directly after. See if you can deposit and examine stuff into RAM. Then put in the device directly after the last MEM card and test it and so forth. Eventually the system will fail and you have located the problem. Either remove the problem or get back to us. =) Note: With no documentation of the devices in question you have more problems. Some UNIBUSes are standard UNIBUSes. Others are special UNIBUSes for special device configurations. The UNIBUS PDP11 (or VAX) is a challange for the technically interested person. =) Oh yes... You can bypass devices by using the UNIBUS cable (a long stiff white flat cable with UNIBUS connectors in each end). Each UNIBUS sub bus is connected with the previous with a UNIBUS continuity card that consists of a short UNIBUS cable and two dual cards joined together to form one unit. If you want to bypass a device, take out the continuity from the start and end of the device, install a UNIBUS cable at the last position of the previous sub bus system and the first in the sub bus after the bypassed device. UNIBUS cables, continuity cards and grants (and also the terminator) all go in the same position across the bus and in no other place. One error here and it is BURN baby BURN! =/ /Lars On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Nickolai Zeldovich: > > I'm having a somewhat interesting problem with my PDP-11.. I'm trying to > > boot a 11/04 from a 8" floppy drive, but DX, DX0, and DX1 all make it hang > > up (RUN light goes out). Would you know what this would mean? I'm not sure > > if this question is really appropriate for the list, sicne it's not > > UNIX-related, and I've had little luck with newsgroups (seems my newsfeed > > is quite flaky). > > > > -- [ Nickolai Zeldovich // nickolai at zepa.net ] > > I'm punting this to the mailing list ONLY because Nickolai's news access > is limited. Can someone help him with the problem? > > Warren > Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA08220 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:45:12 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (hme0.serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA08215 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:45:01 +1100 (EST) Received: from indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk [195.102.196.173] by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yC1uw-0002jt-00; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:44:31 +0000 Received: by indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk (940816.SGI.8.6.9/980207.PNT) for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au id MAA21379; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:45:16 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:45:16 GMT From: pete@dunnington.u-net.com (Pete Turnbull) X-Beware: experimental sendmail.cf 940816.SGI.8.6.9/980207.PNT Message-Id: <9803091245.ZM21377 at indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Tim Shoppa "V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source?" (Mar 8, 11:35) References: <9803081935.AA26778 at alph02.triumf.ca> Reply-To: pete at dunnington.u-net.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk On Mar 8, 11:35, Tim Shoppa wrote: > A non-legal question: the system identifies itself as "v6" when it > boots, but there is a "v7.h" header file in the /sys directory. > Is this maybe really a V7 system? Or maybe from an era when the > trnasition from V6 to V7 was being made? Datestamps on the files > are from 1982. That would cerainly put it well into the v7 era 9by thre years). But there were several differences, as I'm sure Tim knows, and some people didn't change. I'd guess this one has back-ported some v7 stuff onto what was otherwise a 'legacy' system. I think the RL02 drivers were written in Boston for v7 (or am I thinking of the RX02 driver?). Maybe v7.h has something to do with allowing this driver to be used? > Note that although the system was generated for a 11/23, it's > running on a 11/73. The fact that it has more memory than "max" seems > to confuse the system horribly when it goes into multi-user mode. Short > of doing a lobotomy, is there any way to get around this? I don't know, but if anyone else does, please tell! My 11/23 system has a kernel panic if I try to run it on an 11/73 (by swapping out the CPU board). > # LS GAMES > ADVENT CHESS CUBIC TTT WUMP > BJ CORE MOO TTT.K WUMPUS Interesting... ADVENT is missing from my v7. Any chance of a copy? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA09225 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:37:15 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA09220 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:37:08 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA13243; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:37:04 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa Message-Id: <9803091737.AA13243 at alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? To: shoppa at alph02.triumf.ca Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:37:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <9803091245.ZM21377 at indy.dunnington.york.ac.uk> from "Pete Turnbull" at Mar 9, 98 12:45:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > That would cerainly put it well into the v7 era 9by thre years). But there > were several differences, as I'm sure Tim knows, and some people didn't change. > I'd guess this one has back-ported some v7 stuff onto what was otherwise a > 'legacy' system. > > I think the RL02 drivers were written in Boston for v7 (or am I thinking of the > RX02 driver?). Maybe v7.h has something to do with allowing this driver to be > used? Well, this is what V7.h says: #DEFINE V7CODE 7 /* IF COMPILING V7 COMPATIBLE CODE */ #DEFINE V7 (U.U_SYSTEM == V7CODE) and this is what a config file looks like: # CAT CONFIG.MLAB # CONFIGURATION FOR EXTENDED CARE PATHOLOGY SYSTEM WITH RL CONSOLE SYS MEM RL RX2 ROOT RL 0 SWAP RL 0 19000 1480 CPU 23 FPU DL 5 LTC It also looks like there's support in the sources for 11/34's and 11/45's, in addition to the 11/23: # CD CONF # LS ADEVS C.C DATA.S L-MLAB.S MAKE-MLAB BDEVS C.TM F23.O L.S MAKEFILE CDEVS C23.C F23.S L23.S MKCONF.C MAKEFILE CONFIG F45.S M23.S SYSFIX C-MLAB.C CONFIG.AWK KDWORD.S M34.S SYSFIX.C C-MLAB.O CONFIG.MLAB L-MLAB.O M45.S > > Note that although the system was generated for a 11/23, it's > > running on a 11/73. The fact that it has more memory than "max" seems > > to confuse the system horribly when it goes into multi-user mode. Short > > of doing a lobotomy, is there any way to get around this? > > I don't know, but if anyone else does, please tell! My 11/23 system has a > kernel panic if I try to run it on an 11/73 (by swapping out the CPU board). Maybe it is the CPU and not the memory that's causing the problem - I was probably a bit premature in jumping to the conculsion about the memory (perhaps my 2.9BSD experiences aren't applicable here.) > > # LS GAMES > > ADVENT CHESS CUBIC TTT WUMP > > BJ CORE MOO TTT.K WUMPUS > > Interesting... ADVENT is missing from my v7. Any chance of a copy? Sure. Warren's already moved the RL02 image to Boot_images in the PUPS archive, and at some point someone (me? Warren?) might find enough copious free time to strip out the sources. The big problem with this V6 system at the moment is that I can't find the 'mount' executable. I suspect that the system manager might have removed or (more likely) renamed it as a security precaution. (Security? Unix? well, you can try...) I'd like to mount one of the user disks on a second RL drive, but without 'mount' this is hard. Anyone have any ideas? "/dev/rl1" is real and works fine, as I can "od /dev/rl1" without a problem. # MOUNT /DEV/RL0 /MNT MOUNT NOT FOUND # CD / # LS -A . ETC MNT RX UNIX.RXRL .. FIXOWNER MNT1 SRC UNIX.TMP .MAIL HMBOOT MNT2 SYS USR .PROFILE JUNK NAMES TMP V7BOOT A.OUT LIB OLDUNIX UNIX X BIN LIB.OLD OLDUNIX.25.7 UNIX.JONES XLIB DEV LOOP RLUBOOT UNIX.MLAB # CAT .PROFILE V7=YES UMASK 002 HOME=\'PWD\' : MAIL=$HOME/.MAIL B=$HOME/BIN PATH=:$B:/BIN:/USR/BIN:/USR/BIN/V7:/USR/UCB PS1="$ " UPTIME : 'ECHO -N "FORTUNE: "; /USR/GAMES/FORTUNE' # LS /BIN A DB GREP NEWGRP SH.V7 ANVART DC HELP NM SH.YALE AR DCHECK ICHECK OAS SIZE AR-NEW DD IF OCC SORT AR-OLD DF KILL OD STRIP AS DISKCOPY L OLDCHEF STTY AT DISKCOPY.OLD LD OLS SU AWK DSW LINK OPR SUM BAS DU LIST OXY SYNC BYE DUMP LN PASSWD TIME CAT E LOGIN PGS TP CC ECHO LPR PR TP.OLD CDB ED LS PS TS CHGRP EXIT LST RESTOR TTY CHMOD F MAIL REW UNIQ CHOWN FC MAKE RM WHO CLRI FF MENU RMDIR WRITE CMP FILE MKDIR SH XTP CP FS MV SH.BELL XY CSH FTN NCC SH.DEFAULT DATE GOTO NCHECK SH.TEST # LS /USR/BIN ! DIFF GSI NCCC SPLIT STTY DIFFDIR HACK NICE SRCCOM AC DITTO HEAD NMS STARTLP ARCV DOSCVT HEX NOHUP STOP ASA DOSDT IGNORE NOPARITY STRINGS BANNER DOUBLE INDEX NROFF SYSMON BASIC DOWN INFO OFFLINE TABEXP BATCHCARDS DRIBBLE IUL ONLINE TABS BC DSTAT JOIN PARITY TB BCD DTC KWT PF TCON BCPIO DTCOPY LABELS PFE TEE BCPL DTFS LAST PFSH TOASA BEEP ENTER LC PFWAIT TOUCH C EOT LENGTH PG TR CAL ERASE LIBGEN PLOT TRIM CAP EXPAND LIBSORT PLOTTER TSET CCC FDB LINES PP TT CHDATE FED LINKER PPR TX4010 CHEF FERR LISP PROF TXOFF CHK FEXPR LOADVFU PT TXON CKDIR FIELDS LOC PWD TYPO CLEAR FILDES LOCK QP U2L COL FIND LONG RADPK UC COLS FIX LPI RC UNARCV COMM FIXLEN M2U READPPT V0CVT COST FMT M2U.OLD REFS V7CVT CPALL FMT_INDEX M6 ROFF VT125PLOT CPIO FMTCARD MAN RTDT WC CREF FMTINDEX MARK RTLD WHERE CRPOST FMTSORT MESG RULER WIPE CRYPT FOLD MNTBIN RUN WRAP CS FORM MPLOT RX2FMT XFS CS2 FSIZE MPLOT.HIDDEN RXFMT ZERO CTL GAMES MTS SA CVTRT GENDATE MTSFS SKULK DBL GRAB MVDIR SLEEP # LS /USR/BIN/V7 /USR/BIN/V7 NOT FOUND # LS /USR/UCB MAIL DRIBBLE.OUT GREP PIX SSP APROPOS EX HEAD PRINT STRINGS ASTAGS EX.OLD IUL PRINTENV TMP CKDIR EXPAND LAST PTAGS TOD CLEAR EYACC LOCK PX TRA CLOCK FLEECE LS PX34 TSET CR3 FMT.UCB MAKEWHATIS PXP UNTMP CTAGS FOLD MAN PXP34 VI CXREF FROM MKSTR PXREF W DAYTIME FTAGS MSGS RESET WHATIS DIFFDIR FUNNY NUM SEE WHEREIS DOUBLE GETNAME PI SETENV WHOAMI DRIBBLE GETS PI34 SOELIM XSTR Tim. (shoppa at triumf.ca) Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10124 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:24:59 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from alph02.triumf.ca (alph02.Triumf.CA [142.90.114.18]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10119 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:24:52 +1100 (EST) Received: by alph02.triumf.ca; id AA07849; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:24:49 -0800 From: Tim Shoppa Message-Id: <9803092124.AA07849 at alph02.triumf.ca> Subject: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:24:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9803091737.AA13243 at alph02.triumf.ca> from "Tim Shoppa" at Mar 9, 98 09:37:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk > The big problem with this V6 system at the moment is that I can't find > the 'mount' executable. Many thanks to Pete Turnbull, who pointed me towards /etc/mount. Some of the "user" disks appear to be corrupted. Anyone care to tell me where to find fsck? Tim. Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10206 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:48:46 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from toes.its.uwlax.edu (toes.its.uwlax.edu [138.49.128.183]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10200 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:48:36 +1100 (EST) Received: by toes.its.uwlax.edu; id AA02902; NX5.67e/42; Mon, 9 Mar 98 15:52:25 -0600 Message-Id: <9803092152.AA02902 at toes.its.uwlax.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2.RR) From: Milo Velimirovic Date: Mon, 9 Mar 98 15:52:20 -0600 To: Tim Shoppa Subject: Whither fsck (was: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source?) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Reply-To: Milo_Velimirovic at uwlax.edu References: <9803092124.AA07849 at alph02.triumf.ca> Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Tim, fsck doesn't exist yet in the V6 world. you want icheck and dcheck... they need at least one argument which should be the name of a raw device containing the filesystem you want to check. (Using the block device anme will work but be much, much slower.) --- Milo Velimirovic Unix Computer Network Administrator (608) 785-8030 Information Technology Services -- Network Services University of Wisconsin - La Crosse La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601 USA 43 48 05 N 91 14 22 W Begin forwarded message: > >X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f >From: Tim Shoppa >Subject: Re: V6 RL02 images. Binary or Source? >To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au >Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:24:49 -0800 (PST) >In-Reply-To: <9803091737.AA13243 at alph02.triumf.ca> from "Tim Shoppa" at Mar 9, 98 09:37:04 am >Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au > >> The big problem with this V6 system at the moment is that I can't find >> the 'mount' executable. > >Many thanks to Pete Turnbull, who pointed me towards /etc/mount. > >Some of the "user" disks appear to be corrupted. Anyone care to tell >me where to find fsck? > >Tim. > Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10827 for pups-liszt; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:39:57 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10822 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:39:52 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10668 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:40:59 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <199803100040.LAA10668 at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Just in from Dion To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:40:59 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Guys, Just got this in from Dion re the license. No word as to date of availability yet, I did say `we're waiting....' though. I sent Dion a draft set of instructions on how to get the license. Part of his return email goes: > 4. For AUTHORIZED COUNTRY, I suggest writing: > > All countries not excluded by Section 5.2 Yes, very good. I have no idea how to find that damned govt list. I think our reference is out of date but who > 5. You need to list the DESIGNATED CPUs. [Do we? I can't see where > on the draft to fill this in] If you have PDP-11 hardware, > list the number and models of PDP-11s, e.g No, it doesnt say that. It says that on our request, you must furnish the list, but we dont demand it up front. In practice, I doubt we will ever ask anyone to furnish this, much less do an on-site visit. Of course, it might be a fun way to win a trip to Australia if I volunteer to go on a tour to see that our highly valuable intellectual property is being treated right... ;-) That sounds good to me. Warren Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15085 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:14:53 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14910 for unixarc at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:16:06 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:16:06 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <199803110316.OAA14910 at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> To: unixarc at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: PDP-11 UNIX Src Licenses Available Hello, you are receiving this mail for one of the following reasons: + you signed a petition urging SCO to make source licenses for PDP-11 UNIX available + your filled in a survey detailing what you wanted in such a source license + you are a member of the PUPS mailing list I am glad to announce that, as a result of the petition, SCO have made source licenses available for most versions of PDP-11 UNIX. The essential details of the license are: Covers research Editions 1 to 7, and 32V. Covers derived versions of UNIX which ran on PDP-11s. Specifically excludes System V onwards. Full source code, binaries and documentation. Personal, non-commercial use. Exchange of sources and modifications to other licensees. Non-disclosure to unlicensed people. The cost is US$100. Details on how to obtain the license are available at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/getlicense.html SCO will not ship any media with this license. The PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society has a number of volunteers who are prepared to cut CD-ROMs and tapes in order to distribute the PUPS Archive of old Unix software to licensed people. Details about this archive are available at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/pupsfaq.html We would like a few more licensed people to volunteer to create CD-ROMs and tapes, to take the load off the existing volunteers. Finally, none of this would have been possible without the immense support which we received from Dion Johnson within SCO. He battled with the legal eagles over a period of 18 months or so to make the license available. If you can, please send Dion a thank you card at the address The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. 400 Encinal Street Santa Cruz, CA 95061-1900 United States of America Attention: Dion Johnson This will be a surprise for him, but I'm sure he will appreciate your thanks. In turn, I would like to thank you all for your support. Without the signatures on the petition, none of this would have been possible. Warren Toomey wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15239 for pups-liszt; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:50:50 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au: major set sender to owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au using -f Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15234 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:50:47 +1100 (EST) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15256 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:52:01 +1100 (EST) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <199803110352.OAA15256 at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: SCO PDP-11 Licenses Available To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:52:01 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Most of you on the PUPS mailing list should have received notice that SCO are now selling the PDP-11 Unix source licenses we have been waiting so long for. If not, details are on the PUPS web page, and at: http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/getlicense.html We only have 6 volunteers ready to write media (CDs, tapes) holding the archive of PDP-11 Unix material. Anybody else want to volunteer? SCO will let us set up password-protected ftp sites. I will set up the PUPS archive here for password-protected ftp. Would anybody else be prepared to mirror this and also provide password-protected ftp? I'd like one in the US and one in Europe. Cheers all, Warren