From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: johnh@psych.usyd.edu.au (johnh@psych.usyd.edu.au) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:01:31 +1000 (EST) Subject: V7M Message-ID: <199908082201.IAA05958@psychwarp.psych.usyd.edu.au> I still have the tape and documentation (dated 31/1/81). I think most of the work was done by Fred Canter, with help from Jerry Brenner and Armando Stettnet Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA37978 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA37974 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:24 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA83043 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <199908082341.JAA83043 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: V7M In-Reply-To: <199908082201.IAA05958 at psychwarp.psych.usyd.edu.au> from "johnh at psych.usyd.edu.au" at "Aug 9, 1999 8: 1:31 am" To: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:23 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by johnh at psych.usyd.edu.au: > > I still have the tape and documentation (dated 31/1/81). I think most of the >work was done by Fred Canter, with help from Jerry Brenner and Armando Stettnet Yes, I had some email with Fred last year. He was surprised that anybody still cared :-) Norman, I thought I updated the archive to say that V7M came out of DEC. Where did I miss??! Also, no word yet from Keith Bostic w.r.t the Unix mallet. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38173 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from smtp.sw.oz.au (firewall-user at smtp.sw.oz.au [203.31.96.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38169 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from swh.sw.oz.au (swh.sw.oz.au [192.41.203.42]) by smtp.sw.oz.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07722; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:45 +1000 (EST) Received: (from vance at localhost) by swh.sw.oz.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA18778; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:45 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:45 +1000 From: Christopher Vance To: Peter Chubb Cc: grog at lemis.com.au, Unix Heritage Society Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809101545.B18749 at aurema.com> References: <199908060351.NAA04564 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635 at smtp.sw.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908060548.PAA16635 at smtp.sw.oz.au>; from Peter Chubb on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000 Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote: : >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey writes: : : Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, : Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: : : Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic : : : A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole : Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their : heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get : involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably : something else or a spoof.... I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that might be relevant? -- Christopher Vance Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38247 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:26:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38243 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:26:20 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg at localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA70243; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:34 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:33 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" To: Christopher Vance Cc: Peter Chubb , grog at lemis.com.au, Unix Heritage Society , joerg at begemot.org Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809122633.A70235 at begemot.org> References: <199908060351.NAA04564 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635 at smtp.sw.oz.au> <19990809101545.B18749 at aurema.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <19990809101545.B18749 at aurema.com>; from Christopher Vance on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000, Christopher Vance wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote: > : >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey writes: > : > : Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, > : Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: > : > : Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic > : > : > : A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole > : Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their > : heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get > : involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably > : something else or a spoof.... > > I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in > Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that > might be relevant? In Germany UNIX Rent is a car rental company. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38292 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:28:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38288 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:28:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA28037; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:58:38 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog at localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA29375; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:58:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:58:37 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Christopher Vance Cc: Peter Chubb , Unix Heritage Society Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809095837.F22360 at freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908060351.NAA04564 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635 at smtp.sw.oz.au> <19990809101545.B18749 at aurema.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990809101545.B18749 at aurema.com>; from Christopher Vance on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Monday, 9 August 1999 at 10:15:45 +1000, Christopher Vance wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote: >>>>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey writes: >> >> Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, >> Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: >> >> Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic >> >> >> A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole >> Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their >> heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get >> involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably >> something else or a spoof.... > > I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in > Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that > might be relevant? No, it was in Austria. I've forgotten what it was a trademark for, but it wasn't computer-related. In Germany, there was a car hire company called UNIX Rent. I always wanted to hire a car from them, but never got round to it. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38462 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38456 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:40:56 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg at localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA70288; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:41:05 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:41:05 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" To: Greg Lehey Cc: Christopher Vance , Peter Chubb , Unix Heritage Society , joerg at begemot.org Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809124105.A70277 at begemot.org> References: <199908060351.NAA04564 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635 at smtp.sw.oz.au> <19990809101545.B18749 at aurema.com> <19990809095837.F22360 at freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <19990809095837.F22360 at freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:58:37AM +0930 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:58:37AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > No, it was in Austria. I've forgotten what it was a trademark for, > but it wasn't computer-related. In Germany, there was a car hire > company called UNIX Rent. I always wanted to hire a car from them, > but never got round to it. And now there is no reason to rent UNIX if you can have it for freeBSD. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38476 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au [129.78.216.9]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38470 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (norris at localhost) by orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22070 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:16 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au: norris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:16 +1000 (EST) From: Stuart Norris X-Sender: norris at orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au To: Unix Heritage Society Subject: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <19990809101545.B18749 at aurema.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals; BUGS The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety- mology is amusing. -- Stuart Norris norris at mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Mechanical Engineering,University of Sydney,NSW 2006 wk:+(61 2) 9351-2272 http://www.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norris hm:+(61 2) 9326-5276 Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38563 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38558 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:39 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id KAA00491; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <199908090047.KAA00491 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: from Stuart Norris at "Aug 9, 1999 10:41:16 am" To: norris at euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (Stuart Norris) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:38 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Stuart Norris: > > Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man > page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals; > > BUGS > The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety- > mology is amusing. Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node. A more authorative answer, I'm sure, can be found from the 1st Ed manuals on Dennis' homepage: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html. Um, just checked, it doesn't say anything about switches. I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it somewhere. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38687 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:56:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from caveman.geac.com.au (caveman.geac.com.au [203.30.73.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA38683 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:55:53 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 24065 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 11:03:51 +1000 Received: from trowel.geac.com.au (203.1.26.189) by caveman.geac.com.au with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 11:03:50 +1000 Received: (qmail 8534 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 11:07:17 +1000 Received: from fgh.geac.com.au (202.6.67.163) by trowel.geac.com.au with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 11:07:17 +1000 Received: from localhost (dave at localhost) by fgh.geac.com.au?r with ESMTP id KAA26108; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:54:37 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: fgh.geac.com.au: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:54:37 +1000 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall X-Sender: dave at fgh To: Stuart Norris cc: Unix Heritage Society Subject: Re: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes X-Witty-Saying: "Tesseract - Enter at own risk" X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Stuart Norris wrote: > Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man > page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals; > > BUGS > The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety- > mology is amusing. Formal name: delete from switch register (you put the i-number of the file in the switch register). Informal name: Delete Sh*t Work. -- Dave Horsfall VK2KFU dave at geac.com.au Ph: +61 2 9978-7493 Fx: +61 2 9978-7422 Geac Computers P/L (FGH Division) 2/57 Christie St, St Leonards 2065, Australia Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA38892 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:31:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from mumble.uchicago.edu (IDENT:eric at mumble.uchicago.edu [128.135.136.93]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA38888 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:31:02 +1000 (EST) Received: (from eric at localhost) by mumble.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27243; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908090138.UAA27243 at mumble.uchicago.edu> From: Eric Fischer To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <199908090047.KAA00491 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> References: <199908090047.KAA00491 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > From: Warren Toomey > > Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on > the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node. ... > > I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it > somewhere. This may not be the reference you're looking for, but it definitely gets into the history of dsw. Slightly reformatted from the Usenet Oldnews archives at http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/: | Newsgroups: NET.general | From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!research!dmr | Date: Wed Aug 12 00:35:06 1981 | Subject: etymology &c | | I would advise taking uiucdcs!jerry's account of history and | motivations with a healthy dose of salt. However, his heart's in | the right place (unlike some). | | A while ago someone asked Ken Thompson what he would do differently | if he were to do Unix again. The answer: "I would have called it | create instead of creat." Well, my answer is that I would have | fixed the stupid dsw manual page. Fortunately, I can atone | by publishing a correct account (not the real 1970 manual page, | but an incredible simulation). | | Subject: dsw manual page (honest) | | | DSW(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual DSW(1) | | NAME | dsw - delete from switches | | SYNOPSIS | (put number in console switches) | dsw | core | | DESCRIPTION | dsw reads the console switches to obtain a number n, prints | the name of the n-th file in the current directory, and | exits, leaving a core image file named core. If this core | file is executed, the file whose name was last printed is | unlinked (see unlink(2)). | | The command is useful for deleting files whose names are | difficult to type. | | SEE ALSO | rm(1), unlink(2) | | BUGS | This command was written in 2 minutes to delete a particular | file that managed to get an 0200 bit in its name. It should | work by printing the name of each file in a specified direc- | tory and requesting a `y' or `n' answer. Better, it should | be an option of rm(1). | | The name is mnemonic, but likely to cause trouble in the | future. | | Printed 8/11/81 PDP-7 local 1 | | ------------------------------------------------------------------- | | This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed | freely, provided: | | 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. | 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: | The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 | Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman. eric