From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: wkt@cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:34:43 +1000 Subject: vtserver In-Reply-To: ; from Kirk Davis on Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 11:19:54PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <19991014163422.C41213@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 11:19:54PM -0700, Kirk Davis wrote: > Warren, > I've been checking out your vtserver program. It's a great idea > and it's been fun to play with. I'm bringing up a /34 and have been > collecting parts for it for a few months. I've got it set up with > a few RL02's on it. Few questions for you: > > Do you know of anyone that has used it on a /34? I've punched in the > bootstrap and ran it. It loads the boot file from my Linux system. > It appears to call it but it halts somewhere in the 70000-70040 region. > Nothing comes up on the console. Looks like the memory is over written > with the same values over and over again in this area. Any thoughts? > > I'm working on getting a source license from SCO. I'd love to hack on > this with you if you are interested in any help. Sorry for the delay Kirk. It could be that the V7 bootstrap expects split I/D, or a different I/O mapping then what's provided on the /34. I'll punt this to the PUPS mailing list. I have a suspicion that you won't be able to install V7, but you should be able to install V6 or 2.9BSD instead. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02824 for pups-liszt; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:40:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA02811 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 03:39:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp at localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id TAA01702; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:15:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko at localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01066; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:18:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199910141718.TAA01066 at yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: vtserver In-Reply-To: <19991014163422.C41213 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> from Warren Toomey at "Oct 14, 1999 4:34:43 pm" To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:18:02 +0200 (CEST) Cc: kbd at ndx.net, pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko at freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk As Warren Toomey wrote ... > On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 11:19:54PM -0700, Kirk Davis wrote: > > Warren, > > I've been checking out your vtserver program. It's a great idea > > and it's been fun to play with. I'm bringing up a /34 and have been > > collecting parts for it for a few months. I've got it set up with > > a few RL02's on it. Few questions for you: > > > > Do you know of anyone that has used it on a /34? I've punched in the > > bootstrap and ran it. It loads the boot file from my Linux system. > > It appears to call it but it halts somewhere in the 70000-70040 region. > > Nothing comes up on the console. Looks like the memory is over written > > with the same values over and over again in this area. Any thoughts? > > > > I'm working on getting a source license from SCO. I'd love to hack on > > this with you if you are interested in any help. > > Sorry for the delay Kirk. It could be that the V7 bootstrap expects > split I/D, or a different I/O mapping then what's provided on the /34. > > I'll punt this to the PUPS mailing list. I have a suspicion that > you won't be able to install V7, but you should be able to install V6 > or 2.9BSD instead. I once had Ultrix-11 3.1 running on a dual RK05 11/34. What I'd call a very minimal system ;-) But it ran -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03106 for pups-liszt; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:38:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0 at MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03102 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:38:25 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms at localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA21478; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:36:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" Message-Id: <199910141836.LAA21478 at moe.2bsd.com> To: wilko at yedi.iaf.nl, wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: vtserver Cc: kbd at ndx.net, pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - > From: Wilko Bulte I will be doing some more research on this when I get home from work tonight. > I once had Ultrix-11 3.1 running on a dual RK05 11/34. What I'd call a > very minimal system ;-) But it ran That is because DEC put the extra effort into supporting non-split I/D machines. The "stock" V7 really wanted a 11/70. In fact there was a chapter in the back of one of the manuals/books detailing what it took to get V7 running on an 11/40 (it was a non-trivial project). Several things conspire against V7 and later on 11/34 (or 35, 40, 60, etc). The two most notable ones are the limited address space, everything (drivers, data structures, general kernel code) must fit in 56kb instead of 120kb - (8kb reserved for the I/O page) and lack of instruction restart on MMU faults. I'll take a look at the V7 layout later but my memory is that it wanted an 11/70. Steven Schultz Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03622 for pups-liszt; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:04:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from rachael.franken.de (rachael.franken.de [193.175.24.38]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03618 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:04:21 +1000 (EST) Received: by rachael.franken.de via sendmail with stdio id for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:04:01 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #4 built DST-Sep-8) Received: from chico.franken.de(193.175.24.33) via SMTP by rachael.franken.de, id smtpdAAAa17549; Thu Oct 14 21:03:24 1999 Received: from mbsks.UUCP by chico.franken.de (Smail3.2 #2) with UUCP for minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au!pups id m11br5v-005CNsC; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:03:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by mbsks.franken.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m11br2U-000jzQC; Thu, 14 Oct 99 21:59 MET DST Message-Id: From: m@mbsks.franken.de (Matthias Bruestle) Subject: Re: vtserver In-Reply-To: <199910141718.TAA01066 at yedi.iaf.nl> from Wilko Bulte at "Oct 14, 99 07:18:02 pm" To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:59:50 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Mahlzeit As Warren Toomey wrote ... > Sorry for the delay Kirk. It could be that the V7 bootstrap expects > split I/D, or a different I/O mapping then what's provided on the /34. I'm 99% sure, that it's V7 which I have running (for lower values of running, because one drive is dead and the power supply needs to be replaced) on my 11/34A with 128kB RAM and two RL01. I think I wanted to install V6, but installed V7 because of the RL01 drivers. I stripped V7 down, so I only needed one RL01 disk pack (I have only two.) and transfered the disk image via kermit. I want to install 2.11BSD on my M70 with 512kB RAM (No, more RAM is to expensive here. 1MB for over US$500.) and a 120MB ST506-type disk, but had not much time. I want to avoid the way of the disk image, because I have no BSD installed for the emulator and don't know, if the transfere of slices of the disk image would be successfull. (The RT-11 only handles 32MB "disks".) I think the best way would be to boot from a 2.11BSD floppy and install it via serial port. (TU-58 emu? Are there 1.2MB 2.11BSD floppies somewhere?) Mahlzeit endergone Zwiebeltuete -- insanity inside