From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: sms@moe.2bsd.com (Steven M. Schultz) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: booting archived Sys III and Ultrix 3.x images Message-ID: <199910210259.TAA16059@moe.2bsd.com> Howdy - > From: pups at mrynet.com (PUPS mailing list) > > Has anyone successfully booted either the System III > (...Distributions/usdl/SysIII/) or Ultrix (...Distritutions/dec/Ultrix*) > tape images? I don't have a real PDP-11 any more, however both the I don't know what the problem with Ultrix is but I suspect your trouble with System-III is similar to what I wasted a couple days on eons ago Spent a fruitless couple days trying to get Sys-III going on a 11/44 only to have it dawn on me that Sys-III didn't have *any* UMR support except for the DH-11 - thus an 11/70 with MASSBUS devices was the only thing Sys-III would run on. As far as I know no effort was put into Sys-III to deal with 22 bit machines that didn't have a MASSBUS (a la 11/70). PERHAPS that is what is biting you? Feels likely. I know that no effort was put in to supporting UMRs on 22bit systems such as the 11/44. The Supnik and Begemot emulators offer up a ~kdj-11 (11/53, 73, ...) and not an 11/70 so it could be that Sys-III is trying to do something 11/70'ish that KDJ-11 based systems don't offer. Steven Schultz sms at moe.2bsd.com Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00889 for pups-liszt; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:39:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in (uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in [202.141.1.17]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00885 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:39:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in (ece.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.2]) by uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA05114 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:13:26 +0530 Received: from protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in by ece.iisc.ernet.in (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29573; Thu, 21 Oct 99 09:09:06+0530 Received: from localhost (basker at localhost) by protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA24170 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:34:09 +0530 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:34:09 +0530 (IST) From: "P.BASKER" Reply-To: "P.BASKER" To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: assembler? In-Reply-To: <199910210259.TAA16059 at moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi , Im interested in a PDP-11 assembler that has the MACRO-11 syntax, I got a book, "Introduction to Computer Systems using the PDP-11 and Pascal" by McEwans, Thought it would be nice to have the assembler to check out. I hope the assembler is a load and go assembler cum simulator. I want to check out some PDP-11 assembly on my linux machine. Does anyone remember a program called "apout" I think that might work for cross development (learning). Bye P.Basker Research Program Asst, ECE Dept IISc, India Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01039 for pups-liszt; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:03:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01035 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:03:38 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt at localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id OAA00539; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:02:36 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey Message-Id: <199910210402.OAA00539 at henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: assembler? In-Reply-To: from "P.BASKER" at "Oct 21, 1999 8:34: 9 am" To: basker at protocol.ece.iisc.ernet.in Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:02:36 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt at cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by P.BASKER: > Hi , > Im interested in a PDP-11 assembler that has the MACRO-11 syntax, > I got a book, "Introduction to Computer Systems using the PDP-11 and > Pascal" by McEwans, Thought it would be nice to have the assembler to > check out. I hope the assembler is a load and go assembler cum simulator. > I want to check out some PDP-11 assembly on my linux machine. > > Does anyone remember a program called "apout" I think that might work for > cross development (learning). > Bye Yes, I wrote Apout. It runs user-mode programs from V5, V6, V7, 2.9BSD and 2.11BSD. So if you could find an assembler for any of these systems which met your requirements, and produced .o files which could be linked using the normal Unix linker, you'd be okay. However, I haven't heard of a Unix assembler with MACRO-11 syntax, and Apout only runs PDP-11 Unix binaries. So you probably would be better off with a full emulator running a DEC OS with MACRO-11. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01742 for pups-liszt; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:06:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01732 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:06:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp at localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id IAA21266; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:51:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko at localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA44603; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:01:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199910202301.BAA44603 at yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: booting archived Sys III and Ultrix 3.x images In-Reply-To: <199910202028.NAA49448 at mrynet.com> from PUPS mailing list at "Oct 20, 1999 1:28:36 pm" To: pups at mrynet.com (PUPS mailing list) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko at freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk As PUPS mailing list wrote ... > Has anyone successfully booted either the System III > (...Distributions/usdl/SysIII/) or Ultrix (...Distritutions/dec/Ultrix*) > tape images? I don't have a real PDP-11 any more, however both the Ultrix-11 V3.1 works just fine on my 11/83. I supplied the binary images to PUPS from the .5" reel tape ;-) So, yes it can work. My PDP is now running 2.11BSD btw. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03366 for pups-liszt; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:56:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from meson.jpsystems.com (209-184-70-169.jpsystems.com [209.184.70.169] (may be forged)) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA03357; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:56:11 +1000 (EST) Received: by meson.jpsystems.com (5.67/1.35) id AA25265; Thu, 21 Oct 99 09:54:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 99 09:54:58 -0500 From: msokolov@meson.jpsystems.com (Michael Sokolov) Message-Id: <9910211454.AA25265 at meson.jpsystems.com> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au, quasijarus at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Program to read unknown tapes Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I have already posted this program to the PUPS list back in December 1998, but people are asking for it again, and also there are people on the Quasijarus list and not on the PUPS list who want it, so I'm posting it again, to both lists. This program can read a tape on a UNIX box without the user having to know anything about its format. This program automatically determines how many files are on the tape, what is the record size for each, and whether there are any oddities such as partial records. It saves each tape file into a separate disk file and produces a log of everything found on the tape. It's a simple C program and should compile and run on virtually any UNIX or UNIX-like system. The original version was written by one guy I met on another list once and then it was significantly enhanced by me. 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