From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: sms@moe.2bsd.com (Steven M. Schultz) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:21:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: 2.11BSD Message-ID: <199911272021.MAA03745@moe.2bsd.com> Hi - > From: Tim Shoppa > Did the version of 2.11BSD you're working from have disklabel support in > the hk driver? Disklabel support there was added recently (where "recent" > = 2 years ago). And even then the disklabel changes to the HK (rk06/7) driver have not been actually tested - the site that was going to do that had equipment failures and that combined with the lack of interest in or curiosity about PDP-11s resulted the the entire 11 collection being scrapped. So, I went and make the changes anyhow and they "should work" since adding disklabel support to a driver is mostly a boilerplate type of activity but there's always the chance that an error crept in. Disklabel support for the XP (rp03/4/5/6/7) driver is known to work well. Steven Schultz Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA40359 for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:03:50 +1100 (EST) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0 at MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA40355 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:03:42 +1100 (EST) Received: (from sms at localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA04124 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:00:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:00:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven M. Schultz" Message-Id: <199911272100.NAA04124 at moe.2bsd.com> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: 2.11BSD Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > From: pups at mrynet.com (PUPS mailing list) > Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor at mrynet.com > Did you successfully build from a boot-tape image on the emulator, or did > you copy the RP06 image (such as on the PUPS archive) directly to the disk > and tranfer the physical drive to the PDP? (And what method/command did > you use?) > > > Has anyone done this before? I would use a SCSI tape to boot from but the > > SCSI tape drive I have died. (Roached literally - one of the little fsckers > > I do this regularly for my vaxen. 10 to 1 Steven Schultz has been this route > on the PDP-11's tho (Hi Steven :). 'fraid I haven't been _that_ route before. What I would do today, given the presence of a Qbus SCSI adaptor in the system, is either 1) Use a cheesy old 4mm drive (I've a Sony SDT5000 that's too small and/or slow today for the Intel system - upgrade it to an 8mm drive), hook that up to the PC and blast the 2.11BSD boot kit on it (using the instructions, etc provided in the PUPS archive). Then move the 4mm drive over to the PDP-11 and boot the tape . 2) Get a SCSI Zip drive, hook it up to the "PC" and use one of the emulators to create a ~96mb image of a system containing the standalone utilities + dump of root fs + tar files for usr. Then march the Zip drive over to the PDP-11 and boot. Instead of specifying "tape file numbers" to the standalone programs (as in "tms(0,1)") you would use "ra(1,0)disklabel" and so on. A Zip drive is _real nice_ to have on the 11/73 - the Zip is actually quite a bit faster than an RD53/RD54 and the media and drives are cheap for Zips (Internal SCSI zip drives and a 3.5" shoebox run perhaps $150 or so). Steven Schultz Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA40489 for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:24:22 +1100 (EST) Received: from toad.xkl.com (toad.xkl.com [192.94.202.40]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA40485 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:24:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:23:30 -0800 From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" Subject: Re: 2.11BSD To: sms at moe.2bsd.com cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <199911272100.NAA04124 at moe.2bsd.com> Message-ID: <13503008950.14.DSEAGRAV at toad.xkl.com> Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk [Given the presence of...] Like I said, I tried #2 there, and failed. But it is possible to do? That's all I was really after. Halt address coming in about 1/2 hour or an hour, depends on when they're done with the cord. Oh, and a Qbus SCSI card in this box would likely go FUMP! This is an 11/44. I plan on taking pictures sometime. ^_^ ------- Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA40973 for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:33:51 +1100 (EST) Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0 at MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA40969 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:33:42 +1100 (EST) Received: (from sms at localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA04916 for pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:23:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:23:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven M. Schultz" Message-Id: <199911272323.PAA04916 at moe.2bsd.com> To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: 2.11BSD Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" > Like I said, I tried #2 there, and failed. But it is possible to do? > That's all I was really after. Oh, it _should_ work - so yes, it's possible if all the underlying pieces are in place. Hmmm, rather than trying to use a pre-existing RP06 disk image perhaps it would be better to get the tape images (should be in the pups archive) and use 'makesimtape' or whatever to create a bootable tape image for one of the emulators. Going thru a "cold install" to create a disk image should work. You do have floating point hardware in the 11/44, correct? > Halt address coming in about 1/2 hour or an hour, depends on when they're > done with the cord. > > Oh, and a Qbus SCSI card in this box would likely go FUMP! > This is an 11/44. Doh! That's what comes from dashing off a mail item in a rush to go off to lunch ;) Steven Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA41022 for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:43:56 +1100 (EST) Received: from toad.xkl.com (toad.xkl.com [192.94.202.40]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA41018 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:43:47 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:42:58 -0800 From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" Subject: Re: 2.11BSD To: sms at moe.2bsd.com cc: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au In-Reply-To: <199911272323.PAA04916 at moe.2bsd.com> Message-ID: <13503034339.14.DSEAGRAV at toad.xkl.com> Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk [Use an image built from an install tape...] I did. [Have floating point?] Yup. Floating point and I'm one memory board short of 2 meg of RAM. (I'm at 19xx bytes, forgot the exact number.) ------- Received: (from major at localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA41262 for pups-liszt; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:36:39 +1100 (EST) Received: from toad.xkl.com (toad.xkl.com [192.94.202.40]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA41258 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:36:31 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:35:47 -0800 From: "Daniel A. Seagraves" Subject: 2.11BSD boot looping To: pups at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Message-ID: <13503043955.14.DSEAGRAV at toad.xkl.com> Sender: owner-pups at minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk It's looping around at 157702. 157702 contains 001776 -------